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Old March 21st, 2013, 08:04 AM   #741
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Just be happy you don't live in Germany or Austria, where the use of roundabouts can be a challenge. 3/4 left - turn indicating is practically unheard of, which leaves approaching traffic guessing where roundabout traffic is going.
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Ridiculous!
It says you should, not you must, a very important distinction
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Old March 21st, 2013, 06:18 PM   #743
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I know, but I find it ridiculous anyway. We always drive like this (on the right though, not left):

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Old May 18th, 2013, 01:01 AM   #744
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Complete traffic chaos, but it works! Made in China

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Old May 18th, 2013, 02:54 PM   #745
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Old May 19th, 2013, 12:00 AM   #746
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Complete traffic chaos, but it works! Made in China
Of course it works, just don't count accidents in any circumstances.
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Old May 19th, 2013, 01:17 AM   #747
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Ridiculous!

I agree !
But in France, it's normally the thing to do.
I don't remember if another country in Europe applies the same rule.
When you are the second vehicle, you can block the intersection easily.
And the first one in front of you, and yourself, cannot see clearly, vehicles which arrive to go straight.
The best solution to understand what I mean is to be in this sketch !
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Old May 19th, 2013, 01:22 AM   #748
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Complete traffic chaos, but it works! Made in China

This one in Paris is great, too.
Arc de Triomphe roundabout.
I think there are many others on "youtube" from this city.
But all bigcities have their way to drive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3pDh_NslKI
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Old May 19th, 2013, 09:33 PM   #749
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The Roundabout Suggestions Thread

Put your roundabout ideas here.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 10:40 AM   #750
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I know, but I find it ridiculous anyway. We always drive like this (on the right though, not left):

Yeah, generally we do to but it depends on the junction.
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Old September 4th, 2013, 06:48 PM   #751
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Huge roundabout near Bari, Italy, circumference of 2 km.

http://goo.gl/maps/DmWGh
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Just be happy you don't live in Germany or Austria, where the use of roundabouts can be a challenge. 3/4 left - turn indicating is practically unheard of, which leaves approaching traffic guessing where roundabout traffic is going.
You indicate only when you leave the roundabout, that's what the law says. It is enough if it's done properly.
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earthJoker's right. But do not try and rely on this when in Italy. This rule is largely ignored.
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Same in Corsica, where indicating seems to be a matter of luck.

But don't try to drive without indicating to long in Switzerland, you will get fined sooner or later and the bill can be quite large.
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I totally avoid using left signal to say "I'm staying in the roundabout", I want that habit to be withdrawn asap.

Safety communication must be fail-safe, so the general rule must be that "no signal" means stop.

Left signalling to stay in is not fail-safe, because in that case "no signal" means "Go!" and you can't rely on drivers who forget to signal.

Right signalling exposes your patience to assh0les not doing it when leaving the roundabout, but it doesn't harm anyone...
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You indicate only when you leave the roundabout, that's what the law says. It is enough if it's done properly.
That's very good, but I do left-indicate when going 3 quarters, simply because I don't expect people to be clear volant and they'll know not to enter that roundabout as I'm coming. Common practice in the UK, the Netherlands and France, but in the so called efficient countries like Germany and Austria unheard of...
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That's true, sometimes I do that myself, but doing something "wrong" because you expect others expect that (pardon my pun), imho it's not the way to go.
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Because, as I said, it is not effizient

Drivers must be kept aware at all times; if they get the habit to stop when they see a left indicator, the day you don't use it they'll bump into you...

In fact a roundabout is not an intersection, with left or right turns. It's a concept similar to a motorway: one-way road with on- and off-ramps, vehicles getting in must yield to those already on the road. In a roundabout there's no "left turn" concept
You wouldn't keep your left indicator on, while on a motorway, to communicate "Hey guys, I'm staying in".

In multilane roundabouts that signal is neede to change lanes, it's a mess othewise.
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Old September 7th, 2013, 04:45 PM   #759
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Because, as I said, it is not effizient

Drivers must be kept aware at all times; if they get the habit to stop when they see a left indicator, the day you don't use it they'll bump into you...

In fact a roundabout is not an intersection, with left or right turns. It's a concept similar to a motorway: one-way road with on- and off-ramps, vehicles getting in must yield to those already on the road. In a roundabout there's no "left turn" concept
You wouldn't keep your left indicator on, while on a motorway, to communicate "Hey guys, I'm staying in".

In multilane roundabouts that signal is neede to change lanes, it's a mess othewise.
I do not agree. You cannot compare a roundabout with a motorway. And the approaches will be a lot more fluid when you let people know straight away where you're going. This concept works beautifully in countries where this is a habit.

You normally do not change lanes on roundabouts. You stay in lane as with most roundabouts lanes will guide you from approach to exit. Do 3 quarters on a two-lane roundabout means keep to the left on the approach, and exit right with indicator right when leaving.
On other roundabouts you follow your dedicated lane from entry to exit....

Roundabouts in Italy are a drama by the way...
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And the approaches will be a lot more fluid when you let people know straight away where you're going.
You let people know it right blinker: I'm going out, you can get in; no blinker: I stay in, you stand still.

I understand it's awful to stand still and give a useless way to a moron who didn't signal, but that must be corrected through enforcement.


I'm pretty sure in those countries the system works fine mainly because people don't miss signaling the exit.
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