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Old May 22nd, 2006, 07:21 PM   #261
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The total area of single passenger terminal of HKIA is 570,000 sq m

http://www.hongkongairport.com/eng/aboutus/facts.html

Which one is bigger if compared with T-4 alone????
I'm not going to enter into much details here , but those 570,000 sq meters numbers of Hong Kong includes space OUTSIDE the passenger terminal , that are covereded by the enormous roof , specifically "access area" and "parking area "
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 07:27 PM   #262
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I'm not going to enter into much details here , but those 570,000 sq meters numbers of Hong Kong includes space OUTSIDE the passenger terminal , that are covereded by the enormous roof , specifically "access area" and "parking area "
570,000 sq meters is the size of the passenger terminal building inside only
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 07:46 PM   #263
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Passenger growth at MAD is extremly good . This April a 14,7% increase over 2005 , by far the highest growth rate in Europe's biggest airports .

In 2006, MAD will become the 4rd busiest european airport , and before 2012 MAD will be the 3rd busiest european airport .

Recent announcements like Easyjet putting a Hub at MAD old terminals reinforces it position.

Unlike other big airports in Europe , MAD have no challenge from any other airport in hundreds of kilometers . Per example , unlike CDG with Orly , or LHR with LGW , there are no secondary airport in the Madrid area , so all the air traffic MUST concentrate in MAD only airport . Look at the figures for MAD,AMS and FRA.

APRIL 2006

FRA..........4,387,496............3,1% over 2005

MAD..........3,869,654..........14,7% over 2005

AMS..........3,790,300...........6,7% over 2005

MAD Source: http://estadisticas.aena.es/ , http://www14.aena.es/csee/ccurl/PROD200604.pdf

AMS Source: http://www.schipholgroup.com/ Press Release 12-05 , http://hugin.info/135966/R/1050945/174070.pdf

FRA: www.fraport.com Press Release 12-05



Look at the growth rate differential .

FRA-MAD= 517,842

517,842 gap is the 13% of 3,869,654 MAD number . If you look at the growth rate differential of around 10% ,at current rates, in little more than 1 year MAD would catch-up Frankfurt FRA. It's expected it will catch-up FRA in 2-3 years.

EUROCONTROL document with european traffic forecast here:
http://www.eurocontrol.int/corporate...cast_final.pdf
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 08:41 PM   #264
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570,000 sq meters is the size of the passenger terminal building inside only
Well doesn't matter.

BCN Barcelona El Prat Airport is building another terminal , south terminal , with more than 570,000 sq meters on a single terminal .

After completion in 2008, it will have 74 jetbridges , 3 runaways, and very close to Barcelona capital . This is the real Barcelona airport , not the airport Ryanair call Barcelona airport and in reality is Gerona airport .


Plan Barcelona:
http://www.aena.es/csee/Satellite?pa...Language=ES_ES

May 2006 BCN construction photos here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...&page=14&pp=20

http://www.airport-technology.com/projects/barcelona/

Render of new BCN south terminal:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...vaTerminal.jpg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcelo...tional_Airport


There are other airport expansion works by AENA in Spain , like Malaga, Alicante , Canaria airports , etc .. but none as big as Madrid and Barcelona ones .

Malaga Airport Renders of Terminal 3 under construction ( to open in 2008)
http://www.gop.es/AEROPUERTOS/NAT_MA...C-COMPLETO.pdf
(12 MB pdf document)

Malaga AGP construction updates with photos:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=160953

Alicante renders:
http://www.gop.es/AEROPUERTOS/NAT_AL...O-ALICANTE.pdf
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Old May 23rd, 2006, 02:51 AM   #265
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Old May 23rd, 2006, 01:38 PM   #266
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What a chauvinistic thread indeed. To restablish some truth, here are:

Europe's busiest airports in 2005 (source):
(by total number of passengers)
1- London Heathrow: 67.9 million
2- Paris Charles de Gaulle: 53.8 million
3- Frankfurt: 52.2 million
4- Amsterdam Schiphol: 44.2 million
5- Madrid Barajas: 41.9 million

(by total plane movements: landings and take-offs)
1- Paris Charles de Gaulle: 522,619
2- Frankfurt: 490,147
3- London Heathrow: 477,888
4- Amsterdam Schiphol: 420,633
5- Madrid Barajas: 415,677

Completion of the Madrid-Barcelona high speed train link in 2007 should decrease traffic at Madrid Barajas by a few millions. There are currently 4 million people flying Madrid-Barcelona every year. It is expected that a majority of them will choose the high-speed train when the line is completed next year.

At the moment Paris Charles de Gaulle airport is said to be the European airport with the best prospects for growth in the near future due to its four independent runways. Experts say that the four runways can handle as much as 860,000 plane movement a year, which would mean 103 million passengers assuming 120 passengers per plane. According to Paris airport authorities, traffic at CDG will be in the 60-70 million range by 2010, and should reach 100 million in 2020. I can't see how Madrid Barajas could catch up with that fast growth.

As for London Heathrow, it is currently hampered by its only two runways and no possibility for expansion. If the British government allows the construction of a third runway, which is a very controversial issue (entire suburban areas north of the airport would have to be destroyed), then Heathrow could also reach the 100 million mark.
What a patronising post!
Barajas is the biggest in total floor space and that's it.

Ps: Heathrow can grow to 90m passagers/year without a third runaway.
Ps2: Barajas is growing much faster than CDG, LHR, Francfurt and Schipol.
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Old May 23rd, 2006, 04:22 PM   #267
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First 100 days of T4

Iberia Airlines has just released a document called "100 days of T4" , relating the entry into service of this enormous Airport terminal .

http://grupo.iberia.es/content/Grupo...%20LA%20T4.pdf


I find it would be interesting to translate into english, the facts about the inaguration of this huge infrastructure .

Page 2:

"All parties calify as "very satisfactory" the operational status of the instalations"

"T4 at cruising speed" ("La T4, a velocidad de crucero")

"Punctuality level has surpassed 90% some days"

"82,3 load factor, a 9% more than April 2005"

"650 Iberia planes take-off or land every day in T4"

Punctuality level Index:

February ...71%
March.......78%
April..........80%
May..........86%

Air Nostrum executives calls T4 as ".. the best airport terminal in the World"

Page 3

"Every minute one plane is seen in the air over Barajas , very soon it will be 2 planes every 60 seconds"

In the construction of T4 it was used 3 times the steel in the Eifell tower in Paris.

Page 4

Actually, 12 in every 1,000 baggage get lost , "below industry standars , in line with Air France and BETTER than British Airways and KLM" .

T4 has 80 shops and 34 restaurants .

24,000 m2 of retail space inside T4.

100,000 daily persons .

Page 5

This year will start the renovations works of T1-T2-T3 , that will last 1 year.

Average baggage arrival time to belt ways , of 20 minutes.

POLL ( "Encuesta")

T4 is ...

Excelent...........6,7%
Very Good........26,1%
Good...............35,8%
Suficient..........16,4%
Insuficient........12,7%
Very deficient.....2,3%
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Old May 23rd, 2006, 05:21 PM   #268
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Quote:
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It is also your subjective opinion!!

IMO, HKIA, Singapore Changi, Bangkok New Airport and Beijing New Aiport are better than Madrid's new terminal

I recently went in both terminals and I can tell that you haven't. The new T4 in Madrid is by far much better than the old Changi...

@facts_212, thanks for your detailed information and sources
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Old July 7th, 2006, 10:27 PM   #269
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Barajas T-4 Madrid

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Old July 8th, 2006, 12:17 AM   #270
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Old July 9th, 2006, 08:19 PM   #271
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BARAJAS-MADRID T-4 .ll

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Old September 7th, 2006, 10:52 AM   #272
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MADRID-BARAJAS KEEPS Expanding

After the Opening of T4 & T4S (Europe´s biggest terminals) , The Spanish Aiprort Uthority (aena) has announced that will remoddeliing in 2007 the old terminals to improve the service quility and give them a better look.
After the expansion Madrid is overtaking already Amsterdam in number of passenger to became the 4th airport in europe now with a capcity of 80 milllion passenger ( currently still at 45)

I will post the renders soon.
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Old September 7th, 2006, 09:34 PM   #273
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Amsterdam Schiphol has still got more passenger than Madrid Barajas airport, look at the most recent statistics:

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Originally Posted by GregPz
This is the current top 100 (May'05-May'06). Figures are '000 passenger.

1...Atlanta 84,166
2...Chicago (ORD) 76,934
3...London (LHR) 67,956
4...Tokyo (HND) 63,917
5...Los Angeles 61,491
6...Dallas (DFW) 60,128
7...Paris (CDG) 55,008
8...Frankfurt 52,346
9...Denver 45,397
10.Las Vegas 44,960
11Amsterdam 44,774
12.Beijing 44,221
13.Madrid 43,318
14.Hong Kong 41,826
15.Phoenix 41,636
16.Bangkok 41,504
17.Houston (IAH) 41,107
18.New York (JFK) 40,944
19.Minneapolis 36,507
20.Detroit 36,146
21.Newark 34,549
22.Orlando 34,487
23.Singapore 33,658
24.San Francisco 33,512
25.London (LGW) 33,347
26.Miami 31,734
27.Tokyo (NRT) 31,539
28.Philadelphia 31,323
29.Toronto 30,276
30.Seattle 29,690
31.Munich 29,484
32.Sydney 29,461
33.Rome (FCO) 29,064
34.Jakarta 29,058
35.Barcelona 28,292
36.Boston 27,429
37.Charlotte 27,289
38.Seoul (ICN) 26,894
39.Dubai 26,378
40.New York (LGA) 25,818
41Shanghai (PVG) 25,329
42.Paris (ORY) 25,169
43.Guangzhou 24,880
44.Washington (IAD) 24,867
45.Mexico City 24,595
46.Kuala Lumpur 23,759
47.Manchester 22,867
48.London (STN) 22,740
49.Taipei 22,254
50.Salt Lake City 21,934
51.Fort Lauderdale 21,886
52.Istanbul 21,811
53.Palma de Mallorca 21,526
54.Melbourne 21,340
55.Baltimore 20,661
56.Copenhagen 20,614
57.Milan (MXP) 20,484
58.Cincinnati 19,781
59.Dublin 19,459
60.Mumbai 19,218
61.Tampa 19,021
62.Chicago (MDW) 18,725
63.Shanghai (SHA) 18,585
64.Fukuoka 18,561
65.Washington (DCA) 18,262
66.Zurich 18,184
67.Osaka (ITM) 18,139
68.Sao Paulo (CGH) 18,093
69.Sapporo 17,860
70.Stockholm 17,593
71.Sao Paulo (GRU) 17,516
72.San Diego 17,515
73.Shenzhen 17,239
74.New Delhi 17,074
75.Vancouver 16,737
76.Oslo 16,563
77.Osaka (KIX) 16,480
78.Manila 16,466
79.Brussels 16,400
80.Vienna 16,366
81.Brisbane 16,358
82.Johannesburg 16,267
83.Dusseldorf 15,887
84.Antalya 15,514
85.Chengdu 15,152
86.St Louis 15,127
87.Moscow (DME) 14,558
88.Oakland 14,364
89.Athens 14,344
90.Portland 13,856
91.Naha 13,763
92.Jeddah 13,686
93.Seoul (GMP) 13,592
94.Malaga 12,819
95.Moscow (SVO) 12,388
96.Nagoya 11,930
97.Berlin (TXL) 11,665
98.Jeju 11,636
99.Lisbon 11,612
100.Cleveland 11,478
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Old September 7th, 2006, 11:16 PM   #274
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It depends on what statistics are you talking about, if you post the ones for 2006, Madrid has overpassed Amsterdam.

Madrid Barajas January-July 2006: 25.710.627 passengers.
Amsterdam Schipol January-July: passengers.

(I dont know exactly the number of passengers from January-July 2006 in Schipol, I am searching for them, I'll post it later, but I am sure there are less in Amsterdam than in Madrid between those dates)
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Old October 1st, 2006, 11:27 PM   #275
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A nice promo movie of 3 minutes of the new Barajas Airport Terminal 4 @ Madrid:

http://video.google.nl/*********?doc...4508&q=barajas
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 03:19 AM   #276
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MADRID BARAJAS AIRPORT VIDEO, what do you think about it now?

MADRID BARAJAS AIRPORT VIDEO
What do you think about it now?
http://video.google.es/*********?doc...4508&q=barajas

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Old October 2nd, 2006, 03:37 AM   #277
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Cool video! The airport looks splendid, the one with the most capacity of all Europe. Good stuff. Orgullo para los madrileños...
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 05:06 AM   #278
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Please post your comments about the airport!!!!

What do you think about it?
Would you change something?
Do you think is a good candidate for best airport in Europe or in the world?
How long would you think Barajas will take to reach 70 million passengers a year?
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 10:43 AM   #279
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Wow

great airport
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 12:22 PM   #280
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I've been on it five times since it was opened, and once before it was opened, and each time i go i'm more amazed about it, is huge but the sensation is not cold and distant, the spaces are well distributed all services, shops, the People mover, everything is great, i think now we have one of the best terminal buildings in Europe and maybe in the whole world...
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