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Old June 20th, 2007, 03:58 AM   #361
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Avianca and AeroMexico are not Spanish airlines.

BTW a new airport is going to be built in Campo Real (Madrid region). It will replace the Cuatro Vientos airport, which is too close to Madrid city center.

You guys are getting another airport?? I'm so jealous. Madrid is so lucky.
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Old June 20th, 2007, 01:14 PM   #362
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How many large airports does this, relatively, small European city need!!!

I mean, Madrid-Barajas International Airport already has four runways. Now another 4-runway-set. Isn't this a tad too much.
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Old June 20th, 2007, 01:32 PM   #363
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How many large airports does this, relatively, small European city need!!!

I mean, Madrid-Barajas International Airport already has four runways. Now another 4-runway-set. Isn't this a tad too much.
That pic shows the airport at its maximum extent, they'll probably start with one runway and when demand is high enough they'll build another and so on. Also I think it's mainly to be used for cargo at first.
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Old June 20th, 2007, 04:35 PM   #364
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Madrid has four airports (Getafe, Torrejón, Cuatro Vientos, Barajas). This one is going to be used for private flights and cargo. Cuatro Vientos is going to be demolished because of his nearness to Madrid city center; Getafe and Torrejón are air bases but they are used as private airports too. So, the plan is: Barajas for commercial flights, Getafe and Torrejón as air bases only, Cuatro Vientos demolished, and this one (Campo Real) for private flights and cargo.

Campo Real will start with two runways and a terminal area. That render shows the airport as its maximum extent, as gincan said.

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Old June 21st, 2007, 06:36 PM   #365
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Oh, so one airport [Cuatro Vientos] is going to get demolished or redeveloped. I get it now.
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Old June 24th, 2007, 05:17 PM   #366
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How many large airports does this, relatively, small European city need!!!

I mean, Madrid-Barajas International Airport already has four runways. Now another 4-runway-set. Isn't this a tad too much.
Small city? Is the third european city with 6 million. Besides, is the europe's gateway for south america flights.
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Old June 26th, 2007, 02:12 PM   #367
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I visited both KLIA and Barajas last year... I have to say.... Barajas is breath-taking.... Best-looking airport in the world.
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Old June 26th, 2007, 02:33 PM   #368
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Small city? Is the third european city with 6 million. Besides, is the europe's gateway for south america flights.
I know it isn't really a small city. I specifically stated that it is a RELATIVELY small city.

Well, Madrid really is smaller than most European cities (i.e. London, Moscow, Milan, Istanbul, Randstad, Rhine-Rhur, and Paris).

* Those that are in bold are the ones I edited.

Madrid's Metropolitan Area has some 6 million people.
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^most? You named three.
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Old June 28th, 2007, 07:40 PM   #370
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My first time in this airport I was losing my connection to chile: I didn't know it was so long to cross it! :P
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Old June 28th, 2007, 09:57 PM   #371
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I know it isn't really a small city. I specifically stated that it is a RELATIVELY small city.

Well, Madrid really is smaller than most European cities (i.e. London, Moscow, Milan, Istanbul, Randstad, Rhine-Rhur, and Paris).

* Those that are in bold are the ones I edited.

Madrid's Metropolitan Area has some 6 million people.
I'm sorry for you... but Randstad is NOT a city!!!
Randstad is a metropolitan area (Rotterdam-The Hague-Leiden-Haarlem-Amsterdam-Utrecht)

Even than... Madrid is much bigger than Milan!
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I know it isn't really a small city. I specifically stated that it is a RELATIVELY small city.

Well, Madrid really is smaller than most European cities (i.e. London, Moscow, Milan, Istanbul, Randstad, Rhine-Rhur, and Paris).

* Those that are in bold are the ones I edited.

Madrid's Metropolitan Area has some 6 million people.
Madrid is the third european mayor city in population

Rank City and country Population Date of census/estimate
1. London, United Kingdom 7,684,900 March 31, 2007 (official)
2. Berlin, Germany 3,405,259 November 30, 2006 (official)
3. Madrid, Spain 3,128,600 January 1, 2006 (official)
4. Rome, Italy 2,545,243 March 31, 2006 (official)
5. Paris, France 2,153,600 January 1, 2005 (official)
6. Bucharest, Romania 1,930,390 January 1, 2006 (official)
7. Hamburg, Germany 1,754,317 November 30, 2006 (official)
8. Warsaw, Poland 1,703,262 September 30, 2006 (official)
9. Budapest, Hungary 1,698,106 January 1, 2006 (official)
10. Vienna, Austria 1,668,737 April 1, 2007 (official)
11. Barcelona, Spain 1,605,602 January 1, 2006 (official)
12. Munich, Germany 1,331,445 February 28, 2007 (official)
13. Milan, Italy 1,305,808 March 31, 2006 (official)
14. Prague, Czech Republic 1,188,126 December 31, 2006 (official)
15. Sofia, Bulgaria 1,154,010 December 31, 2006 (official)
16. Birmingham, United Kingdom 1,001,200 June 30, 2005 (official)
17. Cologne, Germany 986,168 June 30, 2006 (official

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest...in_city_limits
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Old June 29th, 2007, 01:18 AM   #373
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Small city? Is the third european city with 6 million. Besides, is the europe's gateway for south america flights.
6 million?

Madrid city has got 3 million inhabitants, not 6!
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Old June 29th, 2007, 09:36 AM   #374
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Madrid's metropolitan area is home to 6 million. Metro populations are better indications of a cities size. For example, the City of Los Angeles is only 3 million, but the but the metro area is closer to 16 million. The City of Vancouver is only half a million, but the metro area is 2.2 million. City populations refer to political jurisdictions that municipal governments administer and often have little to do with the actual population.

Montreal, for example, has tens of 'cities' completely surrounded by Montreal, that are not counted in the City of Montreal population figures. Outremont, for example, is governed separately, but is basically 2km from the CBD and completely surrounded by Montreal.

15 years ago, North York, York, East York, Scarborough, Etobicoke, and Toronto were separate cities. Toronto had just 580,000 people in it. These municipal governments amalgamated into one, and the new City of Toronto now governed 2.5 million. Mississauga maintained independence and is still not counted even though Toronto is built up and flows right into Mississauga, around it, and out the other side. Metro Toronto is 5.2 million. Even this figure doesn't count Hamilton, Oshawa, and a few others cities and towns that butt right up against Toronto.

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6 million?

Madrid city has got 3 million inhabitants, not 6!
3 million the mayor and 6 million counting metropolitan area, i wrote it
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Can anyone explain to me why there is such a large number of passengers fying though Barajas? Circa 2000, Toronto and Madrid had roughly equal traffic, but traffic has since exploded at Madrid. It's now about 50% higher. Both serve similar metro populations. Is alot of the traffic from northern European countries seeking a warm vacation destination?

You've got one of the best new terminals on the planet. Good job.

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Can anyone explain to me why there is such a large number of passengers fying though Barajas? Circa 2000, Toronto and Madrid had roughly equal traffic, but traffic has since exploded at Madrid. It's now about 50% higher. Both serve similar metro populations. Is alot of the traffic from northern European countries seeking a warm vacation destination?

You've got one of the best new terminals on the planet. Good job.
I think there aren't too much passengers in Barajas from Northern Europe looking for their holidays. There are quite big airports in touristic zones like Mallorca, Malaga or Canary Islands so they don't have to fly to Madrid. For me, the major reasons for its size are:

- There isn't any city in hundreds of kilometers able to compete with Barajas (airports in the interior part of Spain are tiny compared with MAD), so the potencial market is really big.

- It has become Iberia's hub, as the company prefers to put most of its international flights in Barajas.

- It is the European gateway to Latin America, with routes like Buenos Aires (934,000 pax in 2006), La Havana (501,000)...

- Some domestic routes are really profitable, like Barajas- Barcelona El Prat with nearly 5,000,000 pax, one of the busiest in the world.

- The explosion of the low cost companies, that now reach 25% of the Spanish market. They tend to operate in secundary airports, but they chose Barajas. Easyjet or Ryanair have already 15 international routes each.
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Can anyone explain to me why there is such a large number of passengers fying though Barajas? Circa 2000, Toronto and Madrid had roughly equal traffic, but traffic has since exploded at Madrid. It's now about 50% higher. Both serve similar metro populations. Is alot of the traffic from northern European countries seeking a warm vacation destination?

You've got one of the best new terminals on the planet. Good job.
The main reason is because Iberia made a hub in Barajas Terminal 4 last year.

Barcelona was a small hub for Europe, but Iberia is leaving Barcelona airport, and now they make all flights via Madrid.
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Madrid-Barajas acces roads:


All Terminals of the airport:
Orange: Terminal 1
Green: Terminal 2
Red: Terminal 3
Yellow: Terminal 4



From the air (Terminals 1 and 2 when terminal 3 and 4 did not existed yet):



Terminal 1:









Terminal 2:
At the moment they are remodeling the oldest terminal of the airport. They want to give Terminal 1 and 2 a fresh and modern look.

Outside:




The old information screens are replaced by modern flat screens.
First picture shows the old information screens:






Check-in area:



















Terminal 3:





Shuttle bus connecting Terminals 1, 2 and 3 with Terminal 4:





Terminal 4:

From the air:


Ceiling outside:




Inside the terminal:




Check-in counters:




Ceiling and check-in area:


Baggage belts and ceiling:


Signs in the Terminal 4:




Inside the terminal:












The terminal outside:


E-point inside Terminal 4:





Control Tower:
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Watch out for birds, Spanish pilots warned

MADRID, Aug 19, 2007 (AFP) - A Spanish airline has warned pilots to be extra careful when taking off from Madrid after a number of recent collisions with large birds forced them to carry out emergency landings, a report said Sunday.

Since July 2006 at least four aircraft from national airline Iberia have carried out emergency landings at Madrid-Barajas airport, one of Europe's busiest, after hitting vultures or eagles, the El Pais newspaper said.

The airline has told pilots not to fly faster than 250 knots when flying below 10,000 feet (3,000 metres) in the area in order to limit the impact from hitting the birds, the paper said.

Aircraft taking off and landing at new runways opened two years ago at Madrid-Barajas fly over a protected bird sanctuary that is home to large numbers of vultures and eagles weighing up to eight kilos (18 pounds).
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