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Old December 17th, 2008, 08:54 PM   #41
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Sad, yes ... overall, did you end up with more or with less?

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Old December 18th, 2008, 12:59 AM   #42
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In the 1950`s it was planned to extend the Metro-network to more than 200 km (at least 7 lines), as replacement for the whole tram-network (I guess it had more than 150 km track-lenght). But in the end only a small part of the plans were realised until the 1970's: Just about 30 km of new tracks were built, so that in the end the were about 90 km of U-Bahn with 3 lines in total. Afterwards these three lines were extended a bit.

I have found a nice website about Hamburg's U-Bahn (in german only though)
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Old December 19th, 2008, 03:14 PM   #43
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It's strange that now Hamburg is the only big german city without trams. I don't understand why.
Hamburg isn't the only one. West-Berlin removed it's tram network as well and replaced it by additional underground lines. If it weren't for the divide and reunification of the city Berlin as well wouldn't have a tram line.
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Old December 21st, 2008, 05:48 AM   #44
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Hamburg isn't the only one. West-Berlin removed it's tram network as well and replaced it by additional underground lines. If it weren't for the divide and reunification of the city Berlin as well wouldn't have a tram line.
But there was the reunification, and tram lines from East Berlin have been extended into the western part of the city.
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Old December 21st, 2008, 08:51 PM   #45
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But there was the reunification, and tram lines from East Berlin have been extended into the western part of the city.
Yes, a single line. Nothing breathtaking, really. It remains a historic coincidence that Hamburg has no tram at the moment while parts of Berlin has a pretty decent network.
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Old May 11th, 2009, 10:23 AM   #46
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Hamburg started planning a new, bigger airport in the 1960´s. The location should have been some 50 km north of the city close to Kaltenkirchen (Schleswig-Holstein), the name for the project was "Hamburg-Holstenfeld".
This plans have finally been given up in the mid 1990´s ... quiet late, although for a long time it was clear Holstenfeld will never be build.
Due to this decision, extension of the existing airport in Hamburg-Fuhlsbüttel and planning of the S-Bahn connection just finished last year ...
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Old May 11th, 2009, 03:59 PM   #47
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And here is the map of the Metrobus network.


The Metrobus-lines are important bus lines with a high frequency. The concept was introduced a few years back. Although many city bus lines got only new numbers without changing the route, it has a positive effect for the customer in navigating through the network.
As far as i know the Metrobus line 5 is the heaviest used bus line in Europe. Most of the customers use it to get to university. Intervalls during rush hour on this line are 3-4 minutes and often two buses arrive and depart at the same time.

Metrobus in front of the main railway station!

I just loved the bus sistem in Hamburg!

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Old May 12th, 2009, 07:14 AM   #48
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Those triple section buses are insane!
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Old May 12th, 2009, 10:13 AM   #49
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the "van hool" XXL-busses are great. the capacity has clearly been increased. those are only used on route 5, which is around 80% on its own bus lane. does anybody know, whether any other cities using XXL-busses??
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the "van hool" XXL-busses are great. the capacity has clearly been increased. those are only used on route 5, which is around 80% on its own bus lane. does anybody know, whether any other cities using XXL-busses??
80%? So why don't they build a tram for that line?
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It's strange that now Hamburg is the only big german city without trams. I don't understand why.
To be correct Cologne and Dortmund don't have trams either, they have Stadtbahn instead.
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Old May 12th, 2009, 04:19 PM   #52
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There are some of cities with biarticulated buses/troleybuses

Geneve


Sao Paolo


Utrecht


Zürich


Mexico


Curitiba


Goeteborg


Santiago


Bogota



In the past even Bordeaux - but not sure if they use it still


München
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80%? So why don't they build a tram for that line?
Maybe it's just too expensive, and the biarticulated buses make the same good job.
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Old May 12th, 2009, 04:36 PM   #53
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80%? So why don't they build a tram for that line?
Because there is not yet any existing tram infrastructure (garages etc.). But it is planned to transform the line into a tram/stadtbahn after the first stadtbahn line (from Bramfeld via City Nord to Altona) is in operation (construction due to start next year). But until then the bi-articulated busses have to be sufficient, and in comparison to other areas in Hamburg the need of upgrading is not that important.
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Thanks for the pics! Very interesting!
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Old May 13th, 2009, 06:04 PM   #55
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Because there is not yet any existing tram infrastructure (garages etc.). But it is planned to transform the line into a tram/stadtbahn after the first stadtbahn line (from Bramfeld via City Nord to Altona) is in operation (construction due to start next year). But until then the bi-articulated busses have to be sufficient, and in comparison to other areas in Hamburg the need of upgrading is not that important.
I think it will be more a tram than a Stadtbahn?
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It will be called "Stadtbahn" here. Where it is possible, it will be on it's own street-level track. You can compare it to Berlin's Tram.
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Metro-operator HOCHBAHN will now always order and pay Taxi cabs as replacement service in case of unexpected interruptions of the U-Bahn-service. During the 7-month test period there have been 37 interruptions. In average the customers had to wait 4 minutes for the first Hochbahn-paid taxi, while a replacement bus service would need 20 to 30 minutes to be ready. The costs of this taxi service for Hochbahn during the test-period was 12.000 Euros.
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It will be called "Stadtbahn" here. Where it is possible, it will be on it's own street-level track. You can compare it to Berlin's Tram.
Ok, that makes sense. It would be strange to build a full Stadtbahn in a city where an U-Bahn already exists.
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Old June 7th, 2009, 03:14 PM   #59
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Photos of Hamburg's U-Bahn.

Station Wandsbek-Gartenstadt:

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/u-bahn-hamburg-293840.jpg[/IMG]

Volksdorf:

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/u-bahn-hamburg-293839.jpg[/IMG]

Farmsen:

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/u-bahn-hamburg-293838.jpg[/IMG]

Wandsbek-Markt:

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/u-bahn-hamburg-293722.jpg[/IMG]

Between Baumwall and Rathaus:

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/u-bahn-hamburg-290104.jpg[/IMG]

Saarlandstraße:

[IMG]http://www.**************/bilder/u-bahn-hamburg-285390.jpg[/IMG]
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U-Bahn at Kuhmühlenteichbrücke:



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Uhlandstraße:


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