Beetham Tower, Manchester - Page 9

Leeds No.1 · March 16th, 2008, 12:47 PM

It completely depends on the light and angle you view it from. In post 150 it looks good in pictures 1&2 but it looks awful in pictures 3, 4 and 7.

3- some of those windows look like they've got bars on them

Chogmook · March 16th, 2008, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeds No.1

3- some of those windows look like they've got bars on them

They are the Louvred (or something like that) windows, which open vertically!, obviously not wide enough so you can fall out!

But being able to open a window on your 40-odd floor internal balcony would be quite special (and windy probably!)

Leeds No.1 · March 17th, 2008, 01:13 AM

Well yes; it is a good idea. But there is no denying that it does look awful; to anyone who didn't know they really do look like prison bars.

Chogmook · March 17th, 2008, 11:28 AM

Nah LN1, they look like opening windows, unless you've seen bars made from glass?!?

leonardhenry · March 17th, 2008, 09:37 PM

Best thing about this is that pub round the corner, the Deansgate

Blueberry beer, nyom nyom nyom

Chogmook · March 17th, 2008, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leonardhenry

Best thing about this is that pub round the corner, the Deansgate

Blueberry beer, nyom nyom nyom

I've not been in there yet, but you're selling it well!

leonardhenry · March 17th, 2008, 09:49 PM

It's a bit stuffy and snooty, but that beer was the business. Seems like it's one of those boozers which have loads of guest ales on, which is the best kind of boozer imo

The quiz machine is fixed by the way

Comdot · May 25th, 2008, 08:40 PM

it's getting an 8 from me. loses points for the cladding, which has big benefits but also big drawbacks, for me because i think it's fickle and tacky. also loses points due to the blade's ongoing resonance issues and the protective netting they keep putting up there which always gets torn and looks pretty bad. loses points again because simpson keeps repeating this style over and over.

snapped this in february

oscar9 · May 25th, 2008, 11:29 PM

Went thru Manc today,they have took the sheets off the blade,very windy too and the blade wasn't singing lol

Erebus555 · May 25th, 2008, 11:50 PM

Comdot's point about this style being copied elsewhere is very valid actually. It does affect Beetham Manc as it just doesn't seem so unique!

oscar9 · May 26th, 2008, 12:55 AM

In renders yes,but I can only think HCT with similar cladding,are there any other tall towers with this cladding,Beetham west looks more crossword effect,but thats not a Simpson tower

Leeds No.1 · May 26th, 2008, 12:50 PM

It's all very similar cladding though.

I don't know what I think of this tower. Sometimes it looks amazing, other times dreadful. I don't think the blade is particularly elegant though; loses points there. It also loses points on the quite obvious transition between apartments and residential on the cladding; although this change is not as bad as on HCT. However I generally like the cladding (although I've seen some pictures where it looks really bad*- I think it depends on the light), but as mentioned, it's now quite common.

*The images recently posted on this thread show the superior front. The back is just terrible:
image hosted on flickr

Chogmook · May 26th, 2008, 01:00 PM

I love the back, the fact you can open a louvred window on your internal balcony over 100 meters up is ace!

Good news about the blade (I bet the wind just blew the netting off!)

oscar9 · May 26th, 2008, 01:51 PM

Some of the louvred windows are at 150m,I think that's Mr Simpsons penthouse,hope he has not got a cat.

DarJoLe · May 26th, 2008, 05:58 PM

Awful tower, awful architect, awful developer.

SleepyOne · May 30th, 2008, 07:48 PM

RIBA North West Award Winning Building 2008

image hosted on flickr

oscar9 · May 31st, 2008, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarJoLe

Awful tower, awful architect, awful developer.

A tower that always impresses when you see it for real,an architect wth vision,the only developer that has managed to get anything built really tall outside London so far. Awful isn't it

Erebus555 · May 31st, 2008, 09:51 PM

Didn't impress me! Simpson's an architect with repetition. And even though Beetham have built towers, they haven't been immense successes. One quarter of the flats lying vacant in this. Beetham Brum is having all sorts of problems with it too!

Comdot · June 1st, 2008, 02:03 AM

sorry but you don't know what you're talking about erebus. beetham tower manchester was all sold off plan. you're talking about something entirely different, that people who bought 2nd and 3rd hand aren't getting their asking prices because:
a) they paid too much to start with so are asking for too much
b) now is not the time to sell

oscar9 · June 1st, 2008, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erebus555

Didn't impress me! Simpson's an architect with repetition. And even though Beetham have built towers, they haven't been immense successes. One quarter of the flats lying vacant in this. Beetham Brum is having all sorts of problems with it too!

Granted ,you can usually tell a Simson building,but I would not class his designs as all repetitive,apart from the fact that he has used similar cladding on HCT and Hilton. Lumiere,HCT and Hilton are all very different looking towers. If he uses the same cladding on Lumiere then I will change my mind

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March 16th, 2008, 12:47 PM	#161
Leeds No.1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Leeds, EU Posts: 22,275 Likes (Received): 100	It completely depends on the light and angle you view it from. In post 150 it looks good in pictures 1&2 but it looks awful in pictures 3, 4 and 7. 3- some of those windows look like they've got bars on them __________________ "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure, It is our light not our darkness, that frightens us"

March 17th, 2008, 01:13 AM	#163
Leeds No.1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Leeds, EU Posts: 22,275 Likes (Received): 100	Well yes; it is a good idea. But there is no denying that it does look awful; to anyone who didn't know they really do look like prison bars. __________________ "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure, It is our light not our darkness, that frightens us"

March 17th, 2008, 11:28 AM	#164
Chogmook Mancunian Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Stalybridge, Manchester Posts: 6,155 Likes (Received): 13	Nah LN1, they look like opening windows, unless you've seen bars made from glass?!? __________________ Britain is Great, Manchester is Greater!

May 25th, 2008, 11:50 PM	#170
Erebus555 It's Sting. So What? Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bristol Posts: 31,246 Likes (Received): 4	Comdot's point about this style being copied elsewhere is very valid actually. It does affect Beetham Manc as it just doesn't seem so unique! __________________ The UK Housing Wiki - Attempting to document every tower block, council estate, private estate, housing association, tower block construction/ demolition method, tower block architect, tower block construction company... etc etc, in the UK. Everything to do with postwar residences! - Please join and help! EREBUS - OFFICIAL MOD CANDIDATE 2011 - BRITISH MODS FOR BRITISH PEOPLE!

March 17th, 2008, 09:37 PM	#165
leonardhenry BANNED Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,195 Likes (Received): 0	Best thing about this is that pub round the corner, the Deansgate Blueberry beer, nyom nyom nyom

March 17th, 2008, 09:49 PM	#167
leonardhenry BANNED Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,195 Likes (Received): 0	It's a bit stuffy and snooty, but that beer was the business. Seems like it's one of those boozers which have loads of guest ales on, which is the best kind of boozer imo The quiz machine is fixed by the way

May 25th, 2008, 08:40 PM	#168
Comdot Taikun Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 10,199 Likes (Received): 0	it's getting an 8 from me. loses points for the cladding, which has big benefits but also big drawbacks, for me because i think it's fickle and tacky. also loses points due to the blade's ongoing resonance issues and the protective netting they keep putting up there which always gets torn and looks pretty bad. loses points again because simpson keeps repeating this style over and over. snapped this in february

May 25th, 2008, 11:29 PM	#169
oscar9 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,249 Likes (Received): 39	Went thru Manc today,they have took the sheets off the blade,very windy too and the blade wasn't singing lol

May 26th, 2008, 12:55 AM	#171
oscar9 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,249 Likes (Received): 39	In renders yes,but I can only think HCT with similar cladding,are there any other tall towers with this cladding,Beetham west looks more crossword effect,but thats not a Simpson tower

May 26th, 2008, 12:50 PM	#172
Leeds No.1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Leeds, EU Posts: 22,275 Likes (Received): 100	It's all very similar cladding though. I don't know what I think of this tower. Sometimes it looks amazing, other times dreadful. I don't think the blade is particularly elegant though; loses points there. It also loses points on the quite obvious transition between apartments and residential on the cladding; although this change is not as bad as on HCT. However I generally like the cladding (although I've seen some pictures where it looks really bad- I think it depends on the light), but as mentioned, it's now quite common. The images recently posted on this thread show the superior front. The back is just terrible: image hosted on flickr __________________ "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure, It is our light not our darkness, that frightens us"

May 26th, 2008, 01:00 PM	#173
Chogmook Mancunian Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Stalybridge, Manchester Posts: 6,155 Likes (Received): 13	I love the back, the fact you can open a louvred window on your internal balcony over 100 meters up is ace! Good news about the blade (I bet the wind just blew the netting off!) __________________ Britain is Great, Manchester is Greater!

May 26th, 2008, 01:51 PM	#174
oscar9 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,249 Likes (Received): 39	Some of the louvred windows are at 150m,I think that's Mr Simpsons penthouse,hope he has not got a cat.

May 26th, 2008, 05:58 PM	#175
DarJoLe Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 15,663 Likes (Received): 394	Awful tower, awful architect, awful developer. __________________ "I can quite confidently and with pride say that if everything goes to plan London 2012 will be the best Olympic Games and will surpass Barcelona and Sydney in terms of atmosphere, style and achievement. And not just about the sport. The whole city and its people will come alive and want to be a part of this. It just feels right." DarJoLe, May 19th 2006.

May 30th, 2008, 07:48 PM	#176
SleepyOne Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,091 Likes (Received): 0	RIBA North West Award Winning Building 2008 image hosted on flickr __________________ Manchester Original Modern

May 31st, 2008, 09:51 PM	#178
Erebus555 It's Sting. So What? Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bristol Posts: 31,246 Likes (Received): 4	Didn't impress me! Simpson's an architect with repetition. And even though Beetham have built towers, they haven't been immense successes. One quarter of the flats lying vacant in this. Beetham Brum is having all sorts of problems with it too! __________________ The UK Housing Wiki - Attempting to document every tower block, council estate, private estate, housing association, tower block construction/ demolition method, tower block architect, tower block construction company... etc etc, in the UK. Everything to do with postwar residences! - Please join and help! EREBUS - OFFICIAL MOD CANDIDATE 2011 - BRITISH MODS FOR BRITISH PEOPLE!

June 1st, 2008, 02:03 AM	#179
Comdot Taikun Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 10,199 Likes (Received): 0	sorry but you don't know what you're talking about erebus. beetham tower manchester was all sold off plan. you're talking about something entirely different, that people who bought 2nd and 3rd hand aren't getting their asking prices because: a) they paid too much to start with so are asking for too much b) now is not the time to sell

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