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Old July 6th, 2017, 02:48 AM   #2061
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It's a good point, but Pearson is the fourth largest port of entry into NA behind JFK, LAX, and MIA. It also serves the most international destinations in for any airport NA, and that's not including U.S. cities that it serves. How much of that is driven by U.S passengers connecting through Pearson? I don't know.
The strategy of turning Pearson into a big hub between the US and Europe only got under way a few years ago. I don't have an answer to your question but Pearson should be able to leverage its extensive connections into a big chunk of that traffic.

4th is a strong position but there's no reason Pearson can't one day be 1st. I wonder how far behind JFK, LAX, and MIA YYZ is.
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Old July 6th, 2017, 05:45 AM   #2062
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Pos  Aerop   Tráfico   Var Pos
 1   MEX   17,833,708    
 2   GRU   15,092,000    
 3   BOG   12,711,537    
 4   CUN   10,053,423    
 5   CGH    8,791,755    
 6   SCL    8,700,550    1
 7   LIM    8,336,213    1
 8   BSB    6,716,795    
 9   GIG    6,587,877    
10   PTY    6,252,561    
11   AEP    5,444,737    
12   GDL    4,957,800    
13   EZE    4,190,749    
14   CNF    4,045,254    
15   VCP    3,967,775    
16   SJU    2,299,936^   2
17   SDU    3,729,285    
18   MTY    3,704,748    2
19   PUJ    2,688,867*   3
20   MDE    3,216,043    1
21   SSA    3,137,608    
22   POA    3,134,531    2
23   REC    2,989,252    2

* Datos a abril de 2017.
^ Dato a marzo de  2017.
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 =	MEX	GRU	BOG	CUN	CGH	BSB	GIG	PTY	7+
-1	LIM	MDE
-2	MTY	POA
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Sin duda este año es de consolidación y el gran cambio lo está aportando México con su crecimiento sostenido en el tráfico. Además de los destinos caribeños de Punta Cana y Cartagena, resaltando también Santiago y Buenos Aires. Se registran algunas correcciones, mayormente en Brasil.

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Old July 6th, 2017, 04:20 PM   #2063
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It seems very illogical to exclude transborder passengers from the statistics. Just because the immigration and preclearance in happening in Canada does not make the passengers domestic. After all you are leaving one sovereign state and entering different one. There should not be any questions about this. However for a full view picture I added line for YYZ without transborder passengers.

I have also included Mexican airports in the chart since geographically Mexico is considered as part of North American continent, however based on ACI/IATA criteria it is part of Latin America-Caribbean territory



So the conclusion is (as of end 2016):
- YYZ is the largest port of entry for international passengers in Canada
- YYZ is the 2nd largest port of entry for international passengers in North America (both as a geographical region and ACI/IATA aviation territory)
- total ranks in the graph below:

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Old July 6th, 2017, 04:28 PM   #2064
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YYZ is one of the two absolute winners of the past few years: the other one is LAX. That one is probably driven by the fact that it is the West Coast: closer to booming East Asia and the economic faster-growing regions of the USA: the Pacific. Miami and NYC represent an established area which is not thriving as much in innovation and technology as California.
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Old July 6th, 2017, 05:20 PM   #2065
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The strategy of turning Pearson into a big hub between the US and Europe only got under way a few years ago. I don't have an answer to your question but Pearson should be able to leverage its extensive connections into a big chunk of that traffic.

4th is a strong position but there's no reason Pearson can't one day be 1st. I wonder how far behind JFK, LAX, and MIA YYZ is.
That's Pearson's stated goal - to be the largest international hub in NA. YTD, if you exclude transborder traffic (which we all agree is not accurate nor is it reflective of how the rest of the world counts international passengers), YYZ is about 3-4 million pax behind JFK, LAX, and MIA for international pax. MIA is almost exclusively Central and South America. But in terms of volume growth and growth rate, YYZ and LAX are far and away the leaders in NA.
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Old July 6th, 2017, 08:52 PM   #2066
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The strategy of turning Pearson into a big hub between the US and Europe only got under way a few years ago. I don't have an answer to your question but Pearson should be able to leverage its extensive connections into a big chunk of that traffic.

4th is a strong position but there's no reason Pearson can't one day be 1st. I wonder how far behind JFK, LAX, and MIA YYZ is.
If it has easier luggage clearing than the US for transfers, it has an opportunity. If not, well, less so.
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Old July 7th, 2017, 05:09 AM   #2067
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Pearson has far better connections to places outside north America than most US airports. This international network is Pearson's competitive advantage. It's location is helpful as well. I think JFK is the only US airport with as many/more routes to places outside north America.

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It's a good point, but Pearson is the fourth largest port of entry into NA behind JFK, LAX, and MIA. It also serves the most international destinations in for any airport NA, and that's not including U.S. cities that it serves. How much of that is driven by U.S passengers connecting through Pearson? I don't know.
Is Pearson the 4th biggest entry point into the US or are they saying it's the 4th biggest entry point into north America if one strips out transborder (US bound) traffic?
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Old July 7th, 2017, 05:21 AM   #2068
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YYZ is one of the two absolute winners of the past few years: the other one is LAX. That one is probably driven by the fact that it is the West Coast: closer to booming East Asia and the economic faster-growing regions of the USA: the Pacific. Miami and NYC represent an established area which is not thriving as much in innovation and technology as California.
Air Canada is attempting to turn Vancouver into another global hub and compete with LAX for US - Asia traffic. It's international traffic shot up 17% January 2015 to January 2016 so it seems to be working. For Canadian/US airports, I could see YVR move into 5th for international traffic in 2017 or shortly after.
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Old July 7th, 2017, 05:00 PM   #2069
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Pearson has far better connections to places outside north America than most US airports. This international network is Pearson's competitive advantage. It's location is helpful as well. I think JFK is the only US airport with as many/more routes to places outside north America.



Is Pearson the 4th biggest entry point into the US or are they saying it's the 4th biggest entry point into north America if one strips out transborder (US bound) traffic?
Pearson is the 4th biggest entry point into NA. Transborder traffic is not included in that assessment. It's also the second biggest entry point into the U.S. JFK is first, Pearson second.

And as I mentioned, YYZ has flights to more international destinations (i.e. non U.S.) than any other airport in NA. JFK is second.

Regarding Vancouver, if I'm not mistaken, AC is attempting to turn it into more of a strategic hub rather than a global hub. I don't think it will ever be able to compete with LAX or SFO, but as a strategic focus for AC for Asia-Pacific, YVR obviously makes the most sense. IMO, for YVR to be a true global hub, it would need far more connecting traffic and I'm not sure that A) it's realistic, and B) that's even AC's focus with it.
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Old July 7th, 2017, 10:23 PM   #2070
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How much international destination do Pearson and JFK serve (including transborder)?
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Old July 8th, 2017, 03:39 PM   #2071
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Japan had become 3rd country in the world (after USA and China) transporting more than 300 million passengers within 12 months period (first time in period 2016-06/2017-05)

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Old July 8th, 2017, 09:08 PM   #2072
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Do you have national airline traffic for the top 20 in 2016 or that last 12 months for which data is available?
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France and Russia also in top 10?
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Old July 10th, 2017, 06:21 PM   #2074
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How much international destination do Pearson and JFK serve (including transborder)?
So I stand corrected. In the summer, JFK serves more international destinations than YYZ (I guess speaking to the fact that there are several sun destinations out of YYZ during the winter). As of now:

Pearson serves 98 international (non-U.S. destinations) and 51 U.S. destinations.
JFK serves 108 international destinations (non-Canadian) and 6 Canadian destinations (which makes sense - fewer cities in Canada to fly to).
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Still pretty good: 108 destinations outside US/Canada for JFK vs 98 destinations outside US/Canada for Pearson.
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Transborder is international too. So that number is 149 for Pearson. JFK may have many more domestic destinations though because of a bigger domestic market.

It would be interesting to know the number of unique international destinations served through EWR (which are not served by JFK).
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Transborder is international too.
Agree but omitting all Canada and US destinations gives a clearer picture of the reach beyond the continent. It's these off shore destinations that are central to Pearson's ambitions.

Both airports serve a ton or airports all over Canada and the US.
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Paris airports June 2017

CDG
6 112 657 +6.7%
YTD 32 932 555 +5.2%

ORY
2 788 533 +2.2%
YTD 15 561 310 +4.5%

Total Paris
8 901 190 +5.3%
YTD 48 493 865 +5.0%

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Spanish airports in june (month-data in first page, acumulated jan-jun in second page):

http://www.aena.es/csee/ccurl/652/27...Junio_2017.pdf

Several increases over +10%, including some major airports. Only extremely-small airports (<300,000 pax per year) suffer decreases.

MAD: 4,745,858 (+7,5%); acumulated in 2017: 25,384,765 (+7,5%); last 12-month period: 52,192,977 (+7,2%).
BCN: 4,585,277 (+9,2%); acumulated in 2017: 22,097,797 (+8,5%); last 12-month period: 45,892,424 (+9,2%).
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Guys in Polish thread are constantly fighting about the time when WAW beats PRG and become the busiest central European airport. It has not happend yet PRG is strong and won't go easy haha

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