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Old March 17th, 2006, 04:41 AM   #281
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Yeah, but United's post-bankruptcy finances are extremely wobbly still...Atlanta is also planning an international terminal expansion as well as a possible completely new terminal that will be south of the current southern runways that will be probably be used by AirTran which also has it's main hub at ATL.

And we have to consider whether Delta makes it out of bankruptcy or not.

Either way, the three super-hub airports in the US are Chicago's O'Hare, Dallas-Ft.Worth and Atlanta.
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Do you think Toronto Pearson would be higher on the list if it's landing fees weren't so high? Actually, pretty much all their fees are high. Anyway, what do you think? Would it attract more airlines?
the Greater Toronto Airport Authority, the organization that runs the airport, is manned by a collective of angry old men and women who has nothing better to do than picking on the airlines.

The airlines hate them, the ground services hate them, even their own bus drivers hate them.

Air Canada would not be landing on that piece of property if Toronto had a second airport run by another governing body.
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Old March 19th, 2006, 12:59 PM   #283
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With regards to Atlanta vs. Chicago, if you put together the multiple airports, it'd be an interesting list. Chicago would certainly top Atlanta. London would be #1, I think.
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Old March 19th, 2006, 01:24 PM   #284
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I wonder if Stansted will make it into the top thirty soon giving London three airports in the list? In saying that maybe Gatwick could drop put of the top thirty.
I think Gatwick will stay up in the top 30, its growing pretty fast for a developed world airport. London Stansted is booming and will most likely be in the top 30 - its currently at 22.2mppa and still growing - around 6% per annum.
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Old March 19th, 2006, 02:10 PM   #285
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An Airline hub is an airport that an airline uses as a transfer point to get passengers to their intended destination. It is part of a hub and spoke model, where travelers moving between airports not served by direct flights change planes en route to their destination.Some airlines may use only a single hub, while other airlines use multiple hubs. Hubs are used for both passenger flights as well as cargo flights.

Many airlines also utilize focus cities, which function much the same as hubs, but with fewer flights. Airlines may also use secondary hubs, a non-technical term for large focus cities. Examples include British Airways at Manchester International Airport and US Airways at Pittsburgh International Airport.

Some of the major airlines' most significant hubs are known as fortress hubs; such airports are typically dominated by a single airline, which can fly upwards of 70% of a fortress hub airport's traffic. Examples include Delta Air Lines' (DL) hub in Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and American Airlines' (AA) hub in Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport. Some observers argue that the existence of such hubs can stifle competition; ProAir's battle with Northwest when it briefly flew out of Detroit City Airport is often cited as an example. Northwest was able to outcompete the short-lived discount carrier by matching its fares and offering more frequent flights




Major passenger airlines and their hubs
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North America
Aeroméxico (AM) uses Benito Juárez International Airport (MEX), General Mariano Escobedo International Airport (MTY), and Hermosillo International Airport (HMO).
Air Canada (AC) uses Toronto Pearson International Airport (YYZ), Vancouver International Airport (YVR), and Montréal-Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport (YUL) (and to a lesser extent Calgary International Airport (YYC)).
Alaska Airlines (AS) uses Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (SEA), Portland International Airport (PDX), and Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport (ANC) (and to a lesser extent Los Angeles International Airport (LAX)).
American Airlines (AA) uses Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport (DFW), O'Hare International Airport (ORD), Lambert-Saint Louis International Airport (STL), Miami International Airport (MIA) and Luis Munoz Marin International Airport (SJU) (and to a lesser extent John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK), Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), Logan International Airport (BOS), and La Guardia Airport (LGA)).
Continental Airlines (CO) uses Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), George Bush Intercontinental Airport (IAH) and Hopkins International Airport (CLE). Continental Micronesia, a subsidiary, uses Guam's Antonio B. Won Pat International Airport (GUM).
Delta Air Lines (DL) uses Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL) (said to be the world's largest hub), Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky International Airport (CVG) and Salt Lake City International Airport (SLC) (and to a lesser extent John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK)). Delta Shuttle runs between Logan International Airport (BOS), La Guardia Airport (LGA), and Reagan National Airport (DCA).
JetBlue Airways (B6), a low-fare airline, mostly runs point-to-point service, but has hub-like operations in John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) and Logan International Airport (BOS).
Mexicana (MX) uses Benito Juárez International Airport (MEX) and Don Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla International Airport (GDL).
Midwest Airlines (YX) uses General Mitchell International Airport (MKE) and Kansas City International Airport (MCI).
Northwest Airlines (NW) uses Minneapolis-Saint Paul International Airport (MSP), Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport (DTW), Memphis International Airport (MEM) and Tokyo's Narita International Airport (NRT).
United Airlines (UA) uses O'Hare International Airport (ORD), San Francisco International Airport (SFO), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD), Denver International Airport (DEN), Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), and Tokyo's Narita International Airport (NRT).
US Airways (US) uses Charlotte Douglas International Airport (CLT), Philadelphia International Airport (PHL), Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport (PHX) and Las Vegas's McCarran International Airport (LAS). Pittsburgh International Airport (PIT) used to serve as a hub, but it has since been downgraded to a focus city/secondary hub. Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport is also a focus city. US Airways Shuttle runs between Boston's Logan International Airport (BOS), New York City's La Guardia Airport (LGA), and Washington, D.C.'s Reagan National Airport (DCA), all of which are considered by the airline to be focus cities. PHX and LAS were inherited from the airline's merger with America West Airlines.
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South America
LAN (LA) uses Comodoro Arturo Merino Benítez International Airport (SCL). LAN Peru, a subsidiary, uses Jorge Chávez International Airport (LIM).
Varig (RG) uses Guarulhos International Airport (GRU) and Galeão International Airport (GIG).
TAM Brazilian Airlines (JJ) uses Guarulhos International Airport (GRU) and Congonhas Domestic Airport (CGH).
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Europe
Aer Lingus (EI) uses Dublin International Airport (DUB) and Cork International Airport (ORK).
Aeroflot (SU) uses Moscow-Sheremetyevo International Airport (SVO).
Air France-KLM (AF, KL) uses Paris Charles De Gaulle International Airport (CDG) and Amsterdam-Schiphol International Airport (AMS).
Alitalia (AZ) uses Milan-Malpensa International Airport (MXP) and Rome Leonardo Da Vinci International Airport (FCO).
Austrian Airlines (OS) uses Vienna International Airport (VIE). Tyrolean Airways, a subsidiary, uses Innsbruck Airport (INN).
British Airways (BA) uses London Heathrow Airport (LHR), London Gatwick Airport (LGW), and Manchester International Airport (MAN).
bmi (BD) uses Manchester International Airport (MAN) and London Heathrow Airport (LHR).
CSA Czech Airlines (OK) uses Prague Ruzyne International Airport (PRG).
Finnair (AY) uses Helsinki-Vantaa Airport (HEL).
Iberia Airlines (IB) uses Madrid Barajas International Airport (MAD) and Honduras's San Pedro Sula International Airport (SAP).
Jat Airways (JU) uses Belgrade Airport (BEG).
LOT Polish Airlines (LO) uses Warsaw Frederic Chopin Airport (WAW).
Lufthansa (LH) uses Frankfurt International Airport (FGA) and Munich Franz Josef Strauß International Airport (MUC).
Malév Hungarian Airlines (MA) uses Budapest Ferihegy International Airport (BUD).
Olympic Airlines (OA) uses Athens Eleftherios Venizelos Airport (ATH).
Scandinavian Airlines System (SK) uses Stockholm-Arlanda Airport (ARN) and Copenhagen Airport (CPH) (and to a lesser extent Oslo Airport, Gardermoen (OSL)).
SN Brussels Airlines (SN) uses Brussels International Airport (BRU).
Spanair (JK) uses Madrid Barajas International Airport (MAD) and Barcelona El Prat International Airport (BCN).
Swiss International Airlines (LX) uses Zurich International Airport (ZRH) (and to a lesser extent Geneva Cointrin International Airport (GVA)).
TAP Portugal (TP) uses Lissabon Portela Airport (LIS).
TAROM Romanian Air Transport (RO) uses Henri Coandă International Airport as a principal hub and Cluj-Napoca International Airport as a second hub.
Virgin Atlantic (VS) uses London Heathrow Airport (LHR) and London Gatwick Airport (LGW).
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Africa and Middle East
Egyptair (MS) uses Cairo International Airport (CAI).
El-Al (LY) uses Tel Aviv Ben Gurion International Airport (TLV).
Emirates (EK) uses Dubai International Airport (DXB).
Gulf Air (GF) uses Bahrain International Airport (BAH), Muscat Seeb International Airport (MCT) and Abu Dhabi International Airport (AUH).
Kenya Airways (KQ) uses Nairobi Jomo Kenyatta International Airport (NBO).
Kuwait Airways (KU) uses Kuwait International Airport (KWI).
Qatar Airways (QR) uses Doha International Airport (DOH).
South African Airways (SA) uses Johannesburg International Airport (JNB) and Cape Town International Airport (CPT) (and to a lesser extent Durban International Airport (DUR).
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Asia
Air China (CA) uses Beijing Capital International Airport (PEK).
All Nippon Airways (NH) uses Tokyo-Narita International Airport (NRT), Tokyo-Haneda Airport (HND), Osaka-Kansai International Airport (KIX), and Osaka-Itami Airport (ITM).
Asiana Airlines (OZ) uses Seoul-Incheon International Airport (ICN) and Seoul-Gimpo Airport (GMP).
Cathay Pacific (CX) uses Hong Kong International Airport (HKG).
China Airlines (CI) uses Taipei Chiang Kai Shek International Airport (TPE).
China Eastern Airlines (MU) uses Shanghai-Pudong International Airport (PVG).
China Southern Airlines (CZ) uses Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport (CAN).
Eva Air (BR) uses Taipei Chiang Kai Shek International Airport (TPE).
Japan Airlines (JL) uses Tokyo-Narita International Airport (NRT), Tokyo-Haneda Airport (HND), Osaka-Kansai International Airport (KIX), and Osaka-Itami Airport (ITM).
Korean Air (KE) uses Seoul-Incheon International Airport (ICN) and Seoul-Gimpo Airport (GMP).
Malaysia Airlines (MH) uses Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KUL).
Philippine Airlines (PR) uses Manila Ninoy Aquino International Airport (MNL).
Singapore Airlines (SQ) uses Singapore Changi Airport (SIN).
Thai Airways International (TG) uses Don Muang Bangkok International Airport (BKK).
Vietnam Airlines (VN) uses Ho Chi Minh City Tan Son Nhat International Airport (SGN) and Noi Bai Airport (HAN).
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Oceania
Air New Zealand (NZ) uses Auckland International Airport (AKL) (and to a lesser extent Christchurch International Airport (CHC) and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX)).
Qantas (QF) uses Sydney Kingsford Smith International Airport (SYD) and Melbourne Airport (MEL) (and to a lesser extent Perth Airport (PER)).
National carriers from other countries use their own major (inter)national airport(s).
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Interesting facts
29 of the 30 busiest airports in the world (with the exception of Orlando International Airport) serve as hubs for one or more major airlines.
US Airways has the highest percentage of traffic for any single airline at any international airport (unconfirmed), occupying 72 (plus 1 shared with Lufthansa) out of 85 total gates and accounting for approximately 90% of traffic at Charlotte Douglas International Airport**.
**Source: City of Charlotte & Mecklenburg County, May 2005; USAirways.com, June 2005



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Old March 20th, 2006, 05:36 AM   #286
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very impressive growth for HK as well, both passenger (only behind Beijing-Philadelphia(??) rates) and *massive* cargo volumes


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Old March 23rd, 2006, 03:08 PM   #287
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I wonder if this list is authentic. Moreover, Atlanta's hub advantage has made it to be the top else there is nothing special about it
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 03:16 PM   #288
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I wonder if this list is authentic. Also is stagnating the unknown basis of criteria of measuring the numbers of passengers? Does it includes on domestic / international or both combined?
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 03:35 PM   #289
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london heathrow will be number 1 when it completes its 5th terminal including another runway, london actually has 5 airports, heathrow, gatwick, standstead, luton and one in the city east of canary wharf
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 04:32 PM   #290
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Bangkok airport is the busiest airport in SEA.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 06:31 PM   #291
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The most impressed me were Madrid and Beijing. I didn't realize that both are so high classified in the ranking. And Hong Kong will surpass Memphis soon in terms of cargo, I guess.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 06:51 PM   #292
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Does anyone has the same list but including the first 50 airports?
also the same list but in terms of aircraft movement, that changes everything dramatically.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 07:01 PM   #293
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It's incredible to think that when you put all of London's airport's together, you come out with roughly 130 million passengers a year! I think thats a staggering situation and I'm surprised no-one has really brought it up so far!
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 09:15 PM   #294
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I noticed it too. I wud love 2 see passenger numbers for cities with more than 1 airport put together. i.e total passenger numbers combined for all of London's 5 airports, to give a grand total 4 London.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 06:00 AM   #295
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Here's an interesting article that takes a different view on the rankings of Europe's top airports:

Heathrow Dips in Airports Ranking
The Daily Telegraph, via NewsEdge Corporation

HEATHROW will slip further down the league table of European airports when the summer schedules are unveiled this week.

With Munich gaining six extra routes, it will take fourth place from the London base.

Frankfurt in Germany is Europe's busiest airport, with 262 routes, 31 per cent more than Heathrow. Paris comes second with 223, Amsterdam third with 222 and, from next week, Munich fourth with 204.

The decline of Heathrow has united employers and unions in urging the Government to allow full use of its two existing runways and the construction of a third.

But environmental and aircraft noise campaigners have been equally vociferous in urging ministers to call a halt on further expansion.

On Friday Derek Twigg, the acting aviation minister, shelved a decision on whether Heathrow could allow planes to take off and land on both runways throughout the day.

Until now aircraft have alternated, giving residents living close to the airport a half day's respite from the noise. Demands from the aviation industry for the change had been resisted by local campaign groups.

The protesters also dismissed calls for Heathrow to be expanded to redress the airport's decline.

John Stewart, the chairman of Heathrow Association for the Control of Aircraft Noise, said the latest rankings were based on the number of passengers using the airport, including those who are merely changing planes.

"Transfer passengers may be important to the airlines and the airport, but they are of little importance to the regional economy,'' he said.

"They may create some jobs. But this has to be offset by the pollution caused by the aircraft they are flying in.''

But Sir Digby Jones, the CBI's director-general, said good air links were essential for companies to succeed.

"Every time Heathrow loses a route the ability of business to compete takes a blow,'' he said.

Brendan Barber, the TUC general secretary, said travellers would turn away from Heathrow if the number of destinations continued to fall.

The Daily Telegraph, -- 03/22/06

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Old March 24th, 2006, 06:35 AM   #296
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Pretty much as I expected apart from Las Vegas! 44m a year! World's 9th busiest airport! I have to admit I had no idea it was that busy!
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Old March 24th, 2006, 07:43 AM   #297
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With regards to Atlanta vs. Chicago, if you put together the multiple airports, it'd be an interesting list. Chicago would certainly top Atlanta. London would be #1, I think.
London would be #1, and I believe NY would be second followed by Tokyo.

Chicago's gotta have a third airport somewhere if it's to keep up with Atlanta. The air traffic patterns in Chicago are ridiculously complex because of O'hare's runway layout, which is what the modernization program is supposed to fix.

ATL is adding a 5th runway which will open later this year, plus another 30-something international gates in a new terminal on the east side of the airport off I-75. A future South Terminal is also planned with an unspecified number of gates as well. ATL after upgrades are done next decade will be able to handle 120mppa.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 07:58 AM   #298
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What about a list of *best* airports. I know that there was recently a big study on which airports people felt met their needs the best, were clean, advanced, and gave them good experiences. All I remember is that Halifax, NS was one of the top ones.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 09:19 AM   #299
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I noticed it too. I wud love 2 see passenger numbers for cities with more than 1 airport put together. i.e total passenger numbers combined for all of London's 5 airports, to give a grand total 4 London.
Here's the list you're looking for. This is all airports combined for Sep04-Sep05.

1. London 102.6 million
2. New York 75.1
3. Chicago 71.1
4. Tokyo 70.6
5. Atlanta 65.5
6. Los Angeles 64.0
7. Paris 60.9
8. Washington/Baltimore 49.3
9. Dallas 48.7
10.Miami/Ft Lauderdale 40.9
11.San Francisco 40.6
12.Frankfurt 39.8
13.Houston 35.9
14.Amsterdam 33.8
15.Las Vegas 33.7
16.Denver 32.9
17.Madrid 31.7
18.Phoenix 30.9
19.Shanghai 30.4
20.Beijing 30.1
21.Hong Kong 29.9
22.Seoul 29.8
23.Minneapolis/St Paul 29.1
24.Bangkok 28.4
25.Detroit 27.8
26.Osaka 26.2
27.Orlando 25.5
28.Philadelphia 25.5
29.Milan 25.2
30.Sao Paulo 25.1
31.Rome 25.0
32.Singapore 23.8
33.Toronto 23.0
34.Moscow 22.8
35.Seattle 22.4
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^ That list is wrong. For London you are only adding the figures for Heathrow and Gatwick. What about Stansted, Luton, and City? London's combined total is nearly 135 million. I'm pretty sure the airports in the New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Tokyo areas also add to ~100m each - far more than on your list. For example here is the combined total for London's airports in the last 12 months:

- London Heathrow = 67,636,160
- London Gatwick = 32,895,342
- London Stansted = 22,191,942
- London Luton = 9,191,331
- London City = 2,049,278
Total = 133,964,053
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