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Old March 24th, 2006, 11:28 AM   #301
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Old March 24th, 2006, 12:26 PM   #302
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^ That list is wrong. For London you are only adding the figures for Heathrow and Gatwick. What about Stansted, Luton, and City? London's combined total is nearly 135 million. I'm pretty sure the airports in the New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Tokyo areas also add to ~100m each - far more than on your list. For example here is the combined total for London's airports in the last 12 months:

- London Heathrow = 67,636,160
- London Gatwick = 32,895,342
- London Stansted = 22,191,942
- London Luton = 9,191,331
- London City = 2,049,278
Total = 133,964,053
Los Angeles would be no where near 100 mppa. LAX has close to a complete Monopoly on air traffic to the SoCal. Ontario, John Wayne, and Burbank would add practically nothing. San Diego is too far away (120 miles).

New York would be close... the total given seems to exclude LaGuardia. If you could add San Diego to LA, then adding Philadelphia to NY's total would push it close to London's 130 mppa, but Philly is its own metro of 6 million 90 miles from Manhattan.

Chicago's total is missing Midway... which would put it at just under 100 mppa.

Tokyo's total seems low as well... hmm. NRT and HND handle about 85 mppa.

In fact... all those totals seem a bit low...
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Old March 24th, 2006, 02:02 PM   #303
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Does anyone has the same list but including the first 50 airports?
also the same list but in terms of aircraft movement, that changes everything dramatically.
Top 50 (2003)



Top 40 Europe (2004)


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Old March 24th, 2006, 03:14 PM   #304
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From the news article above:
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Frankfurt in Germany is Europe's busiest airport, with 262 routes, 31 per cent more than Heathrow. Paris comes second with 223, Amsterdam third with 222 and, from next week, Munich fourth with 204.
Such a misleading statistic - in terms of passenger numbers, Frankfurt doesn't even come close to Heathrow.

Statistics can do wonderful things.


Thanks for the total Monkey, my guess of 130 million wasn't that far of


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Old March 24th, 2006, 03:27 PM   #305
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^ That list is wrong. For London you are only adding the figures for Heathrow and Gatwick. What about Stansted, Luton, and City? London's combined total is nearly 135 million. I'm pretty sure the airports in the New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Tokyo areas also add to ~100m each - far more than on your list. For example here is the combined total for London's airports in the last 12 months:
Yeah, sorry the list I posted is for Jan-Sep 2005 (not Sep04-Sep05). But it does include all airports per metro region. I'll post the full year when I get a chance.
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Old March 25th, 2006, 12:36 AM   #306
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Does anyone has the same list but including the first 50 airports?
also the same list but in terms of aircraft movement, that changes everything dramatically.
airports.org has all those info
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Old March 25th, 2006, 01:01 AM   #307
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Here's the list you're looking for. This is all airports combined for Sep04-Sep05.

1. London 102.6 million
2. New York 75.1
3. Chicago 71.1
4. Tokyo 70.6
5. Atlanta 65.5
6. Los Angeles 64.0
7. Paris 60.9
8. Washington/Baltimore 49.3
9. Dallas 48.7
10.Miami/Ft Lauderdale 40.9
11.San Francisco 40.6
12.Frankfurt 39.8
13.Houston 35.9
14.Amsterdam 33.8
15.Las Vegas 33.7
16.Denver 32.9
17.Madrid 31.7
18.Phoenix 30.9
19.Shanghai 30.4
20.Beijing 30.1
21.Hong Kong 29.9
22.Seoul 29.8
23.Minneapolis/St Paul 29.1
24.Bangkok 28.4
25.Detroit 27.8
26.Osaka 26.2
27.Orlando 25.5
28.Philadelphia 25.5
29.Milan 25.2
30.Sao Paulo 25.1
31.Rome 25.0
32.Singapore 23.8
33.Toronto 23.0
34.Moscow 22.8
35.Seattle 22.4
wait, isn't the Tokyo number 63282219+31525275?? how you get 70 million?
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Old March 25th, 2006, 04:45 AM   #308
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Interesting thing about Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson is that its long distance international flights are rather limited. Evidentally, very few passenger 747s. It’s very much a domestic hub. Most of international flights are to Caribbean & Latin America. There was an article about this in a recent airports magazine. The relative paucity of trans-Atlantic & trans-Pacific flights for such a gigantic airport adds to why Atlanta’s top place as “busiest airport” often comes as a big surprise to many outside of US. But Atlanta’s been one of the two busiest for many decades, trading places with Chicago's O'Hare. The two mayors for whom the airport is named, played a huge role in putting Atlanta on the map as an aviation hub. Used to be an old southern saying, something like, on the way to heaven, you'll have to change planes in Atlanta!
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Old March 25th, 2006, 04:53 AM   #309
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Here's the list you're looking for. This is all airports combined for Sep04-Sep05.

1. London 102.6 million
2. New York 75.1
3. Chicago 71.1
4. Tokyo 70.6
5. Atlanta 65.5
6. Los Angeles 64.0
7. Paris 60.9
8. Washington/Baltimore 49.3
9. Dallas 48.7
10.Miami/Ft Lauderdale 40.9
11.San Francisco 40.6
12.Frankfurt 39.8
13.Houston 35.9
14.Amsterdam 33.8
15.Las Vegas 33.7
16.Denver 32.9
17.Madrid 31.7
18.Phoenix 30.9
19.Shanghai 30.4
20.Beijing 30.1
21.Hong Kong 29.9
22.Seoul 29.8
23.Minneapolis/St Paul 29.1
24.Bangkok 28.4
25.Detroit 27.8
26.Osaka 26.2
27.Orlando 25.5
28.Philadelphia 25.5
29.Milan 25.2
30.Sao Paulo 25.1
31.Rome 25.0
32.Singapore 23.8
33.Toronto 23.0
34.Moscow 22.8
35.Seattle 22.4
Toronto Pearson (YYZ) had around 28 million passengers in this time frame.....how does the total number of passengers in Toronto equal less than the number of passengers at YYZ??
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Old March 25th, 2006, 05:32 AM   #310
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Atlanta offers flights to more destinations (280 or so) than any other airport, I believe. Either it or Heathrow.
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Old March 25th, 2006, 06:23 AM   #311
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Cargo Traffic 2005 PRELIMINARY



Last update: March 13 2005

Rank City (Airport) Total Cargo % Change

1 MEMPHIS, TN (MEM) 3 598 500 1.2

2 HONG KONG, CN (HKG) 3 437 050 10.1

3 ANCHORAGE, AK (ANC)* 2 609 498 9.7

4 TOKYO, JP (NRT) 2 290 346 ( 3.5)

5 SEOUL, KR (ICN) 2 149 937 0.8

6 FRANKFURT, DE (FRA) 1 963 141 6.7

7 LOS ANGELES, CA (LAX) 1 928 894 1.4

8 SHANGHAI, CN (PVG) 1 856 328 13.7

9 SINGAPORE, SG (SIN) 1 854 610 3.3

10 LOUISVILLE, KY (SDF) 1 814 730 4.3

11 PARIS, FR (CDG) 1 770 940 8.2

12 MIAMI, FL (MIA) 1 761 926 ( 1.0)

13 TAIPEI, TW (TPE) 1 705 320 0.3

14 NEW YORK, NY (JFK) 1 649 055 ( 3.3)

15 CHICAGO, IL (ORD) 1 547 859 ( 1.3)

16 AMSTERDAM, NL (AMS) 1 495 918 2.0

17 LONDON, GB (LHR) 1 389 591 ( 1.6)

18 DUBAI, AE (DXB) 1 314 904 12.5

19 BANGKOK, TH (BKK) 1 140 836 7.8

20 INDIANAPOLIS, IN (IND) 1 082 339 6.8

21 NEWARK, NJ (EWR) 957 374 ( 3.2)

22 OSAKA, JP (KIX) 869 202 ( 0.7)

23 TOKYO, JP (HND) 799 062 3.2

24 BEIJING, CN (PEK) 782 066 17.0

25 ATLANTA, GA (ATL) 764 717 ( 11.2)

26 GUANGZHOU, CN (CAN) 750 552 18.7

27 LUXEMBOURG, LU (LUX) 742 758 4.2

28 DALLAS/FT WORTH AIRPORT, TX (DFW) 720 623 ( 2.8)

29 BRUSSELS, BE (BRU) 704 569 6.0

30 OAKLAND, CA (OAK) 675 227 ( 0.0)


ACI Traffic Data: World airports ranking by total cargo - 2005
Airports participating in the ACI monthly traffic statistics collection.
Total Cargo: loaded + unloaded freight + mail in metric tonnes.
*ANC data includes transit freight.
Memphis, Louisville and Indianapolis are major hubs for the two large overnnight shipping integrators. (i.e., companies that pickup, fly, and deliver shipments by themselves.) Almost all the freight going through Memphis is FedEx and it leaves the airport a few hours after it arrives. Indianapolis is a smaller and less busier version of Memphis for FedEx too and handles mainly domestic shipments. Louisville is UPS's main hub.

Hong Kong may never catch up to Memphis as long as freight like FedEx's envelopes are counted just the same as a 747 freighter loaded full of newly manufactured electronic components.
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Old March 25th, 2006, 07:40 PM   #312
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2005年世界主要机场旅客吞吐量(前30位)  
Rank City (Airport) Tota Passengersl % Change
1 ATLANTA, GA (ATL)(亚特兰大) 85 894 947 2.7
2 CHICAGO, IL (ORD)(芝加哥) 76 766 776 1.6
3 LONDON, GB (LHR)(伦敦希思罗) 67 915 389 0.8
4 TOKYO, JP (HND)东京羽田 63 282 219 1.6
5 LOS ANGELES, CA (LAX)洛杉矶 61 485 269 1.3
6 DALLAS/FT WORTH AIRPORT, TX (DFW)达拉斯 59 064 360 -0.6
7 PARIS, FR (CDG)巴黎 53 756 200 4.9
8 FRANKFURT, DE (FRA)法兰克福 52 219 412 2.2
9 LAS VEGAS, NV (LAS)拉斯维加斯 44 280 190 6.8
10 AMSTERDAM, NL (AMS)阿姆斯特丹 44 163 098 3.8
11 DENVER, CO (DEN)丹佛 43 307 335 2.2
12 MADRID, ES (MAD)马德里 41 939 904 8.4
13 PHOENIX, AZ (PHX)凤凰城 41 204 071 4.3
14 BEIJING, CN (PEK)北京 40 989 651 17.5
15 NEW YORK, NY (JFK)纽约肯尼迪 40 584 001 8.2
16 HONG KONG, CN (HKG)香港 40 282 000 9.7
17 HOUSTON, TX (IAH)休斯敦 39 713 920 8.8
18 BANGKOK, TH (BKK)曼谷 38 985 043 2.7
19 MINNEAPOLIS/ST PAUL, MN (MSP)明尼波利斯 37 563 664 2.3
20 DETROIT, MI (DTW)底特律 36 374 906 3.4
21 ORLANDO, FL (MCO)奥兰多 33 907 396 8.4
22 SAN FRANCISCO, CA (SFO)旧金山 33 580 662 2.6
23 NEWARK, NJ (EWR)纽瓦克 33 033 569 3.6
24 LONDON, GB (LGW)伦敦 32 784 177 4.2
25 SINGAPORE, SG (SIN)新加坡 32 430 856 6.8
26 TOKYO, JP (NRT)东京成田 31 525 275 1.5
27 PHILADELPHIA, PA (PHL)费城 31 502 855 10.5
28 MIAMI, FL (MIA)迈阿密 31 008 453 2.8
29 TORONTO, ON, CA (YYZ)多伦多 29 914 925 4.6
30 SEATTLE/TACOMA, WA (SEA)西蕥图 29 289 009 1.7
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Old March 28th, 2006, 05:56 PM   #313
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Here's an interesting article that takes a different view on the rankings of Europe's top airports:

Heathrow Dips in Airports Ranking
The Daily Telegraph, via NewsEdge Corporation

HEATHROW will slip further down the league table of European airports when the summer schedules are unveiled this week.

With Munich gaining six extra routes, it will take fourth place from the London base.

Frankfurt in Germany is Europe's busiest airport, with 262 routes, 31 per cent more than Heathrow. Paris comes second with 223, Amsterdam third with 222 and, from next week, Munich fourth with 204.

The decline of Heathrow has united employers and unions in urging the Government to allow full use of its two existing runways and the construction of a third.

But environmental and aircraft noise campaigners have been equally vociferous in urging ministers to call a halt on further expansion.

On Friday Derek Twigg, the acting aviation minister, shelved a decision on whether Heathrow could allow planes to take off and land on both runways throughout the day.

Until now aircraft have alternated, giving residents living close to the airport a half day's respite from the noise. Demands from the aviation industry for the change had been resisted by local campaign groups.

The protesters also dismissed calls for Heathrow to be expanded to redress the airport's decline.

John Stewart, the chairman of Heathrow Association for the Control of Aircraft Noise, said the latest rankings were based on the number of passengers using the airport, including those who are merely changing planes.

"Transfer passengers may be important to the airlines and the airport, but they are of little importance to the regional economy,'' he said.

"They may create some jobs. But this has to be offset by the pollution caused by the aircraft they are flying in.''

But Sir Digby Jones, the CBI's director-general, said good air links were essential for companies to succeed.

"Every time Heathrow loses a route the ability of business to compete takes a blow,'' he said.

Brendan Barber, the TUC general secretary, said travellers would turn away from Heathrow if the number of destinations continued to fall.

The Daily Telegraph, -- 03/22/06

http://www.airportbusiness.com/artic...tion=1&id=5872
What a missleading article!! The only statistic most people care about is pax numbers, and Heathrow is growing well and leads by a long way for god sake. If a route goes it's because there is little demand for it in most cases, and so what if thats the case.
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Old March 29th, 2006, 02:19 AM   #314
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Interesting thing about Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson is that its long distance international flights are rather limited. Evidentally, very few passenger 747s. It’s very much a domestic hub. Most of international flights are to Caribbean & Latin America.
Here's Delta's international flights out of Atlanta, with new flights inauguration dates in parenthesis:

ATLANTA

Europe/Middle East/Japan

Amsterdam, Netherlands
Athens, Greece (begins 5/29/06)
Barcelona, Spain
Brussels, Belgium
Copenhagen, Denmark (begins 5/1/06)
Dublin, Ireland
Düsseldorf, Germany (begins 4/3/06)
Edinburgh, Scotland (begins 5/4/06)
Frankfurt, Germany
London/Gatwick, England
Manchester, England
Madrid, Spain
Milan, Italy
Munich, Germany
Moscow, Russia
Nice, France (begins 5/9/06)
Paris/Charles De Gaulle, France
Rome, Italy
Shannon, Ireland
Stuttgart, Germany
Tel Aviv, Israel (begins 3/27/06)
Tokyo/Narita, Japan
Venice, Italy (begins 6/6/06)
Zürich, Switzerland

Latin America/Caribbean

Acapulco, Mexico (begins 4/5/06)
Aruba
Antigua (begins 12/18/05)
Barbados (begins 12/8/05)
Belize City, Belize
Bogota, Colombia
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Cancun, Mexico
Caracas, Venezuela
Cozumel, Mexico (begins 3/6/06)
Grand Bahama, Bahamas***
Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands
Guadalajara, Mexico
Guatemala City, Guatemala
Hamilton, Bermuda
Liberia, Costa Rica
Lima, Peru
Los Cabos, Mexico (12/3/05)**
Managua, Nicaragua (begins 12/15/05)
Merida, Mexico (begins 2/26/06)
Mexico City, Mexico
Montego Bay, Jamaica
Monterrey, Mexico***
Nassau, Bahamas
Panama City, Panama
Providenciales, Turks & Caicos***
Punta Cana, Dominican Republic (begins 11/19/05)
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (begins 12/15/05)
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Roatan, Honduras (begins 3/4/06)
San Jose, Costa Rica
San Pedro Sula, Honduras (begins 3/1/06)
San Salvador, El Salvador
Santiago, Chile
Santiago, Dominican Republic
St. Lucia
Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic (begins 12/1/05)
Sao Paulo, Brazil
St. Maarten, Netherlands Antilles
Zihuatanejo/Ixtapa, Mexico (begins 4/12/06)

** Denotes seasonal service.
*** Service may be operated by
Delta Connection carrier Atlantic Southeast Airlines.
****Subject to DOT approval

Plus you've got to add Korean Air, Lufthansa, Air France, BA, KLM, South African, Aeromexico and Air Canada, and their flights to their hubs too.

Not bad for an airport whose long distance international flights are rather limited.
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What a missleading article!! The only statistic most people care about is pax numbers, and Heathrow is growing well and leads by a long way for god sake. If a route goes it's because there is little demand for it in most cases, and so what if thats the case.
By splitting up its flights from London between Heathrow and Gatwick, both British Airways and Virgin Atlantic make connecting in London very difficult. Flying out of Atlanta on BA I have to fly in to Gatwick, where I have to make an arduous transfer through London traffic to get to Heathrow to make a my connection to another BA flight to a multitude of cities. But, if I fly Air France I arrive at Charles de Gaulle and transfer to my connecting flight without driving across the metro area. And Lufthansa is just as easy with a Frankfurt arrival and departure all at the same airport. Plus I have more choices of cities to connect to!
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Old March 29th, 2006, 02:33 AM   #316
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By splitting up its flights from London between Heathrow and Gatwick, both British Airways and Virgin Atlantic make connecting in London very difficult. Flying out of Atlanta on BA I have to fly in to Gatwick, where I have to make an arduous transfer through London traffic to get to Heathrow to make a my connection to another BA flight to a multitude of cities. But, if I fly Air France I arrive at Charles de Gaulle and transfer to my connecting flight without driving across the metro area. And Lufthansa is just as easy with a Frankfurt arrival and departure all at the same airport. Plus I have more choices of cities to connect to!
Yeah, but it's not exactly damaging Heathrow is it? The satistics speak for themselves, it's growing, slow right now because of something to do with T5 (sory, forgot the details, I'll find the source).
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Heathrow definitely has a lot of hubbing going on, but it's up in the top five busiest airports because it is an enourmous origin and destination airport. London is a very popular tourist and business city and the greater London area has over 10 million citizens who fly all over the world for business and pleasure.

Contrast that to Frankfurt, which is a major business destination, but is a limited tourist destination and has a metro population of about 3.5 million people, and you see that it's such a busy airport because of its numerous destinations, ease of use, and a massive domestic and international hubbing system.
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Old March 31st, 2006, 05:18 AM   #319
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Frankfurt is one of the top destination for tourists from asia, espacially japan. and the near rheingau is one of the biggest tourist attractions in the whole world. frankfurt is small but like san francisco, it ain't like london or paris, but it is more than skyscrapers and workers who live in green rich-income suburbs. cheers mate, come and drink a beer in old-frankfurt-sachsenhausen and chill down. i know whole germany and hamburg for example is like a thrown together from a insane sailor-mayor or what ever village.

you can see old one-family-houses there, something i miss in frankfurt. hamburg sux, 1,2 million foreign-tourist compare to 5 million in frankfurt. thats how it is.

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What a missleading article!! The only statistic most people care about is pax numbers, and Heathrow is growing well and leads by a long way for god sake. If a route goes it's because there is little demand for it in most cases, and so what if thats the case.

no one is saying that heathrow is not leading. but the gap is getting smaller and smaller every year. if the trend continues, heathrow won't be number 1 in europe anymore.
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