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Old November 13th, 2007, 12:37 PM   #701
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What'd be Dubai's ranking in that list?
Dubai is in the top 40. If I remember correctly it's 39th.

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What is it with London being far and above any other metro in the world in terms of air passenger traffic? Heck, even New York and Tokyo are left in the dust! London doesn't even have a descent-looking airport except perhaps Stansted.
Well the US east coast and Japan have several large hubs whereas the major UK airports are all in the London area (apart from Manchester which handles less traffic than any of London's top 3).
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Old November 13th, 2007, 12:59 PM   #702
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By July 2007 the top 10 metros looked like this:

1 London 137.7 million ...0.4% growth since Dec 06
2 New York 107.2 ...2.7%
3 Tokyo 101.4 ...4.5%
4 Chicago 95.4 ...0.3%
5 Los Angeles 87.3 ...1.3%
6 Atlanta 86.8 ...2.3%
7 Paris 86.7 ...2.8%
8 Dallas 67.5 ...0.8%
9 Washington/Baltimore 64.0 ...2.4%
10 San Francisco 59.8 ...1.9%
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Old November 13th, 2007, 02:52 PM   #703
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Didn't the feds artificially make carriers serve Montreal? I know when many of those legislations were dropped many just packed up and flew to Toronto instead. It wasn't a secret that Toronto was the more enticing destination for foreign carriers - it's just the Quebec-loving federal goverment that always makes it more difficult for Pearson to reach its full potential.
Let's not forget that Montreal, not Toronto, was this country's biggest city for over 100 years. It was Canada's centre of commerce and power up until around 1980. Montreal was a big Canadian hub, because of this, not because the feds artificially made carriers serve Montreal. Toronto only became more enticing to airlines when it surpassed Montreal in size and economic importance.

Montreal had a chance to become a major North American hub, but squandered the opportunity. It's not likely to regain it's position as Canada's premier city or premier hub, but it certainly can dramatically increase it's pax numbers to rival Melbourne. Let's keep in mind that Sydney is Australia's biggest city, and biggest hub, not Melbourne.

Melbourne and Montreal are almost identical in population and both compete with a larger more powerful city a few hundred km away: Sydney and Toronto, respectively. Matching Melbourne pax numbers is a reasonable goal for Montreal. Matching Toronto's is not.
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Old November 13th, 2007, 09:39 PM   #704
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Here's the metro rankings for 2006. All airports serving a city combined.

1 London 137.2 million
2 New York 104.3
3 Tokyo 97.1
4 Chicago 95.1
5 Los Angeles 86.2
6 Atlanta 84.9
7 Paris 84.3
8 Dallas 67.0
9 Washington/Baltimore 62.5
10 San Francisco 58.7
11 Frankfurt 56.5
12 Miami/Ft Lauderdale 53.8
13 Houston 51.1
14 Beijing 48.5
15 Denver 47.3
16 Las Vegas 46.6
17 Shanghai 46.1
18 Amsterdam 46.1
19 Madrid 45.5
20 Hong Kong 44.0
21 Bangkok 42.8
22 Seoul 42.1
23 Phoenix 41.4
24 Milan 36.7
25 Detroit 36.4
26 Minneapolis/St Paul 35.6
27 Sao Paulo 35.1
28 Singapore 35.0
29 Rome 35.0
30 Orlando 34.8
31 Osaka 33.6
32 Moscow 33.3
33 Philadelphia 31.8
34 Jakarta 31.1
35 Toronto 31.0
Where is Barcelona airport?

It was 35th of the world in 2006, with more than 30 million passengers!
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Old November 13th, 2007, 11:10 PM   #705
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Where is Barcelona airport?

It was 35th of the world in 2006, with more than 30 million passengers!
It's quite easy, BCN had 30.008 M passengers in 2006.

If 35th is Toronto with 31M, BCN cannot appear in that list. Surely it will be in Top40.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 01:35 AM   #706
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Where is Barcelona airport?

It was 35th of the world in 2006, with more than 30 million passengers!

The above list is metro rankings not airport rankings
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Old November 14th, 2007, 01:39 AM   #707
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Here's the metro rankings for 2006. All airports serving a city combined.

1 London 137.2 million
2 New York 104.3
3 Tokyo 97.1
4 Chicago 95.1
5 Los Angeles 86.2
6 Atlanta 84.9
7 Paris 84.3
8 Dallas 67.0
9 Washington/Baltimore 62.5
10 San Francisco 58.7
11 Frankfurt 56.5
12 Miami/Ft Lauderdale 53.8
13 Houston 51.1
14 Beijing 48.5
15 Denver 47.3
16 Las Vegas 46.6
17 Shanghai 46.1
18 Amsterdam 46.1
19 Madrid 45.5
20 Hong Kong 44.0
21 Bangkok 42.8
22 Seoul 42.1
23 Phoenix 41.4
24 Milan 36.7
25 Detroit 36.4
26 Minneapolis/St Paul 35.6
27 Sao Paulo 35.1
28 Singapore 35.0
29 Rome 35.0
30 Orlando 34.8
31 Osaka 33.6
32 Moscow 33.3
33 Philadelphia 31.8
34 Jakarta 31.1
35 Toronto 31.0
Ain't Osaka part of Tokyo's Metro Region.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 01:43 AM   #708
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No.
As much as Washington isnt part of New York or Montreal part of Toronto
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Old November 14th, 2007, 02:25 AM   #709
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What is it with London being far and above any other metro in the world in terms of air passenger traffic? Heck, even New York and Tokyo are left in the dust! London doesn't even have a descent-looking airport except perhaps Stansted.
You sound surprised! However, London is an alpha city, is one of the world's foremost business centres, has historic international links with all parts of the world, has a very large and relatively prosporous population and the airports serve not just London but a hinterland which includes the south-east of England and beyond. Its true Heathrow looks dreadful, and Gatwick is not fantastic, but for all their issues, in my experience all these airports can process passengers as fast if not faster than most if not all airports I have used, and luggage is often waiting at the baggage pick up even if there are no delays at passports. I wish I could say the same for other airports where sometimes I have waited hours at passport control - including at NYC, Paris, Canadian airports, etc.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 02:34 AM   #710
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Hahn, Reus and Girona and Beauvais should be added to Frankfurt, Barcelona and Paris metro areas!!! Stansted is as far from central London as these airports from their main cities and the three of them are operated by airlines as Frankfurt Hahn, Barcelona-Gerona, Barcelona-Reus or Paris-Beauvais.

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Old November 14th, 2007, 02:39 AM   #711
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Didn't the feds artificially make carriers serve Montreal? I know when many of those legislations were dropped many just packed up and flew to Toronto instead. It wasn't a secret that Toronto was the more enticing destination for foreign carriers - it's just the Quebec-loving federal goverment that always makes it more difficult for Pearson to reach its full potential.
I don't think this is the case though I understand that Air Canada are required by federal legislation to keep their head office and principal operations in Montreal. The federal government also pays for IATA to be based in Montreal (this goes back to WW2 when Mtl was the hub of trans-Atlantic transport between N America and Europe) including paying all their accommodation costs and no doubt much else. There may be some subsidies to support certain routes and these may be required by the federal government to use Montreal rather than Toronto, but I don't recall the details. However, to my knowledge, the main airlines are not subsidised, hence when Montreal's economy declined in the early/mid 90's many pulled out their intercontinental daily flights such as Alitalia and Lufthansa, though the latter (and perhaps the former) have resumed these since.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 02:41 AM   #712
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I don't think this is the case though I understand that Air Canada are required by federal legislation to keep their head office and principal operations in Montreal. The federal government also pays for IATA to be based in Montreal (this goes back to WW2 when Mtl was the hub of trans-Atlantic transport between N America and Europe) including paying all their accommodation costs and no doubt much else. There may be some subsidies to support certain routes and these may be required by the federal government to use Montreal rather than Toronto, but I don't recall the details. However, to my knowledge, the main airlines are not subsidised, hence when Montreal's economy declined in the early/mid 90's many pulled out their intercontinental daily flights such as Alitalia and Lufthansa, though the latter (and perhaps the former) have resumed these since.
Air Canada's head office is by legislation in Montreal - however their main operations definitely are not! Many carriers were forced with bilaterals to operate to Montreal only, Toronto lost a lot of traffic that way - however in the late 80's those politics changed and carriers could freely go on to Toronto. Many of those carriers, being faced with open doors to the YYZ market opted to move out of the YUL market.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 02:50 AM   #713
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Hahn, Reus and Girona and Beauvais should be added to Frankfurt, Barcelona and Paris metro areas!!! Stansted is as far from central London as these airports from their main cities and the three of them are operated by airlines as Frankfurt Hahn, Barcelona-Gerona, Barcelona-Reus or Paris-Beauvais.
These airports are include.
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Old November 15th, 2007, 10:09 AM   #714
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You sound surprised! However, London is an alpha city, is one of the world's foremost business centres, has historic international links with all parts of the world, has a very large and relatively prosporous population and the airports serve not just London but a hinterland which includes the south-east of England and beyond.
And Tokyo and New York don`t have the things?

I think the reason why London is ahead of New York and Tokyo is the location. The same reason why Atlanta has so many passengers. London is between Europe and America.




You can add Dubai to the city list.
Dubai Airport 28.8 million passengers
+ Sharjah Airport 2.7 million passengers

= 31.4 million passengers

1 London 137.2 million
2 New York 104.3
3 Tokyo 97.1
4 Chicago 95.1
5 Los Angeles 86.2
6 Atlanta 84.9
7 Paris 84.3
8 Dallas 67.0
9 Washington/Baltimore 62.5
10 San Francisco 58.7
11 Frankfurt 56.5
12 Miami/Ft Lauderdale 53.8
13 Houston 51.1
14 Beijing 48.5
15 Denver 47.3
16 Las Vegas 46.6
17 Shanghai 46.1
18 Amsterdam 46.1
19 Madrid 45.5
20 Hong Kong 44.0
21 Bangkok 42.8
22 Seoul 42.1
23 Phoenix 41.4
24 Milan 36.7
25 Detroit 36.4
26 Minneapolis/St Paul 35.6
27 Sao Paulo 35.1
28 Singapore 35.0
29 Rome 35.0
30 Orlando 34.8
31 Osaka 33.6
32 Moscow 33.3
33 Philadelphia 31.8
34 Dubai 31.5
35 Jakarta 31.1
36 Toronto 31.0


When the World Central Airport is completed and the airport will become the main airport you can also start to count the Abu Dhabi aiport for Dubai. Right now it would add 5.3 million passengers. Dubai would make place 24 in the list.
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Old November 15th, 2007, 01:52 PM   #715
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These airports are include.

Not for the Barcelona metro, Girona+Barcelona+Reus ads up to 35 million 2006 and will be about 40 million this year.
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Old November 15th, 2007, 03:26 PM   #716
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It's pretty difficult defining which airports serve a metro area. The list is based largely on how the ACI groups them. Reus & Girona probably should be included for Barcelona but Sharjah definitely wouldn't be included in Dubai as it serves its own defined city.
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Old November 15th, 2007, 05:39 PM   #717
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The above list is metro rankings not airport rankings
OK, then add Girona and Reus airports to Barcelona metro area, total: around 40 million passengers in 2006.
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40 million!?

35 dear man and probably about 40 million 2007/8 or 9

I believe we're agreed there
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Old November 15th, 2007, 11:10 PM   #719
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For Barcelona metro the exact figures are:

2006

Barcelona 30,0 million
Girona 3,6 million
Reus 1,4 million

2007 with sustained growth

Barcelona 33.1 million
Girona 4,7 million
Reus 1,4 million

so about ~39 million
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It's pretty difficult defining which airports serve a metro area. The list is based largely on how the ACI groups them. Reus & Girona probably should be included for Barcelona but Sharjah definitely wouldn't be included in Dubai as it serves its own defined city.
The distance between the 2 Airports is just 17km.
Dubai is the biggest city in that metro so i would count it, too.
Frankfurt Hahn is closer to Wiesbaden or Mainz than to Frankfurt. This Airport serves the metro area not the city itself.

The World central airport is 60km away from Sharjah Airport, 44km away from the current Dubai Airport and 94km away from the Abu Dhabi Airport.

The distance between Frankfurt Hahn and Frankfurt International is 92km.
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