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Old December 15th, 2007, 08:36 PM   #761
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That's not true, the main hub of LA is Mexico City, followed by Sao Paulo (Garulhos). Maybe it's for the Caribbean, but when I travel I always take Mexico City as the main hub, and sometimes Dallas, but not Miami.
Ok, Mexico city is the latin american hub? I don't think so. It might be the main hub of mexico, which is the second biggest country in LA, but I never see flights going to US, Europe or Asia passing by there.

Otherwise, almost all cities of all south american countries have direct flights with Miami. In Brazil, there are not less then 15. And about central america, they all go to Panama City. Am I right or not?
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Old December 16th, 2007, 06:12 PM   #762
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An interesting fact that seems to have gone unnoticed is that Paris-CDG airport has just passed Dallas-Fort Worth airport and has become the 6th busiest airport in the world in terms of passengers.

In the 9 months from the beginning of 2007 to the end of Sept. 2007 there were 45,748,667 passengers at Paris-CDG (source) vs. 45,080,319 passengers at Dallas-Fort Worth (source). So unless Dallas-Fort Worth manages to have a very high traffic in the last 3 months of the year, it is quite likely Paris-CDG will be the 6th busiest airport in 2007.
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Old December 16th, 2007, 10:34 PM   #763
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Actually, US airports do have much more traffic in the last 3 months due to Thanksgiving and Christmas travel, so I wouldn't conclude anything based on 9 months when the 3 busiest are not included.
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Old December 16th, 2007, 11:31 PM   #764
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Well, last year in the first 9 months Dallas-Fort Worth airport had 45,566,549 passengers and Paris-CDG airport had only 43,259,920 passengers. This year in the first 9 months Dallas-Fort Worth had 45,080,319 passengers and Paris-CDG had 45,748,667 passengers, so Dallas-Fort Worth is gonna need an exceptional end of year if it wants to keep its lead...
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Old December 17th, 2007, 01:11 AM   #765
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And what's up with LHR? Monkey told me years ago it would be number 1 by now?
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Old December 18th, 2007, 06:23 PM   #766
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Dallas-Fort Worth Airport have just released their October 2007 traffic statistics, and it confirms what I was saying. In the 10 months from the beginning of 2007 to the end of October 2007 there were 50,111,083 passengers at Dallas-Fort Worth, vs. 50,748,159 at Paris-CDG.
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Old December 18th, 2007, 07:38 PM   #767
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And what's up with LHR? Monkey told me years ago it would be number 1 by now?
I think it probably would but everything in Britain has to happen at a snails pace to give everybody concerned time to work out how to rip the tax payer off! Terminal 5 is open soon but I think one of the other terminals closes when this happens so I dont know how much will be added to the passenger numbers total, and if you've ever been to Heathrow you may have noticed there is nowhere for it to expand to in any direction, a new runway was announced a few months ago this will definitely increase its numbers. The government initially planned to build the new runway at London Stansded but changed their minds. I think heathrow is running at around 99% capacity and has been for years hence the lack of growth.
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Old December 18th, 2007, 07:49 PM   #768
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Ok, Mexico city is the latin american hub? I don't think so. It might be the main hub of mexico, which is the second biggest country in LA, but I never see flights going to US, Europe or Asia passing by there.

Otherwise, almost all cities of all south american countries have direct flights with Miami. In Brazil, there are not less then 15. And about central america, they all go to Panama City. Am I right or not?
thank you man i can't belive how many ignorants we have in this website!
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Old December 21st, 2007, 03:00 AM   #769
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No --- USA Traffic has shot back up past it's pre 2001 levels...

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Two big trends - growth in China and bankruptcy of US carriers dropping rates in US. DL bankruptcy and large downsizing of CVG led to that airport's precipitous drop.

Wonder if strong growth at NRT is result of that airport serving as a connection gateway to China and the rest of Asia.

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... and still growing... also there are more low cost carriers that have either launched or have grown dramatically that have put pressure on the legacy carriers. I do not think any of them are currently in Bankruptcy right now --- I could be wrong. As far as US traffic dropping overall much has to do with the economy. You will not see a major overall retraction... especially since the US aviation industry accounts for 10% of the economy. China is definitely growing and these numbers will continually change.
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Old December 21st, 2007, 11:03 PM   #770
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Dallas-Fort Worth Airport have just released their October 2007 traffic statistics, and it confirms what I was saying. In the 10 months from the beginning of 2007 to the end of October 2007 there were 50,111,083 passengers at Dallas-Fort Worth, vs. 50,748,159 at Paris-CDG.
at this rate cdh will overtake lhr soon and become europe's busiest. I expect some major changes in the top 10 in the next 2 or 3 years.
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 07:49 PM   #771
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From airports.org

January - September 2007

1 ATLANTA, GA (ATL) 67 101 267 5.4
2 CHICAGO, IL (ORD) 57 970 921 0.2
3 LONDON, GB (LHR) 51 588 124 0.1
4 TOKYO, JP (HND) 49 315 521 1.6
5 LOS ANGELES, CA (LAX) 46 949 914 1.5
6 PARIS, FR (CDG) 45 745 873 5.7
7 DALLAS (DFW)/FT WORTH, TX (DFW) 45 080 319 (1.1)
8 FRANKFURT, DE (FRA) 41 027 725 2.1
9 BEIJING, CN (PEK) 40 910 141 11.4
10 MADRID, ES (MAD) 39 146 974 14.4
11 DENVER, CO (DEN) 37 958 103 4.7
12 AMSTERDAM, NL (AMS) 36 570 354 3.8
13 NEW YORK, NY (JFK) 36 140 505 13.5
14 LAS VEGAS, NV (LAS) 36 051 173 4.6
15 HONG KONG, CN (HKG) 34 735 000 6.6
16 HOUSTON, TX (IAH) 32 376 197 1.0
17 PHOENIX, AZ (PHX) 32 056 833 2.6
18 BANGKOK, TH (BKK) 30 600 309 (2.8)
19 NEWARK, NJ (EWR) 27 577 967 1.9
20 ORLANDO, FL (MCO) 27 419 169 4.1
21 LONDON, GB (LGW) 27 400 775 2.7
22 DETROIT, MI (DTW) 27 318 113 0.9
23 SINGAPORE, SG (SIN) 26 928 037 5.1
24 SAN FRANCISCO, CA (SFO) 26 794 268 5.7
25 TOKYO, JP (NRT) 26 781 852 2.0
26 MINNEAPOLIS/ST PAUL, MN (MSP) 26 748 828 (1.0)
27 MUNICH, DE (MUC) 25 616 737 10.5
28 DUBAI, AE (DXB) 25 402 230 19.1
29 MIAMI, FL (MIA) 25 381 103 3.0
30 BARCELONA, ES (BCN) 25 190 964 10.3
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 08:07 PM   #772
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Good news for BCN and MAD airports!
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 08:12 PM   #773
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Yes, good news for Spain, Barcelona is back on the list (Charlotte is out now) and Madrid's growth is simply amazing.
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Old December 23rd, 2007, 03:15 PM   #774
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at this rate cdh will overtake lhr soon and become europe's busiest.
Paris CDG should overtake London Heathrow in 2010.
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I expect some major changes in the top 10 in the next 2 or 3 years.
Well normally Paris CDG will overtake Dallas-Fort Worth in 2007, but Beijing should overtake Paris CDG in 2008, then they will both overtake LA, then Tokyo Haneda, then London Heathrow. Madrid will also overtake Frankfurt, but I don't know how far this airport can go given Madrid and Spain limited population.
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Old December 24th, 2007, 05:43 AM   #775
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will cdg reach 60 million this year?

is orly growing fast too?
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Old December 25th, 2007, 10:22 PM   #776
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will cdg reach 60 million this year?
That's a question I asked myself too actually. In order for Paris CDG to reach 60 million this year, they'll need to have a 7.2% growth of their passenger traffic in December compared to December 2006 (the 11 other months are already known). For comparison, in November they had a 6.5% growth of their passenger traffic (compared to November 2006), in October there was a long strike so the value is not significant, in September the traffic growth was 6.1%, in August 9.1%, in July 6.6%.

So as you can see, they'll need a very good month of December to reach 60 million. If they have a more reasonable 6% growth in December, they'll reach 59,950,000 passengers in total for 2007.
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is orly growing fast too?
No, its growth is only average (+3.5% in 2007, +3.1% in 2006, +3% in 2005). The French governement has clearly decided to put the brake on Orly expansion and divert traffic to CDG instead. That's because less people live around CDG than around Orly. When you think that Orly used to be the busiest Parisian airport, what a downfall this airport has experienced... Some people even say the government should close Orly completely, but I doubt this will happen. Orly has about 26 million passengers per year.
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Old December 26th, 2007, 09:16 AM   #777
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I started to make a list with the biggest rise in the numbers of passengers.

1.) Madrid 4,9mio
2.) New York 4,3mio
3.) Beijing 4,2mio
4.) Dubai 4,0mio
5.) Atlanta 3,4mio
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interesting! 2007 isn't over yet though. cdg will be pretty high on this list ...
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Old December 27th, 2007, 11:25 AM   #779
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Ohh my God!!!!!

Dubai is growing up so fast!!!!
Having Emirates based there helps!
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Old December 27th, 2007, 12:32 PM   #780
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I started to make a list with the biggest rise in the numbers of passengers.

1.) Madrid 4,9mio
2.) New York 4,3mio
3.) Beijing 4,2mio
4.) Dubai 4,0mio
5.) Atlanta 3,4mio
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