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Old May 10th, 2016, 04:46 AM   #1601
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That's kinda comparing apples and pears as of the three São Paulo is the only airport in the Southern Hemisphere...

Also how about the airport(s) of Jakarta. More passengers than the Sao Paolo airports combined.
Indeed, São Paulo is not the busiest aviation city of the southern hemisphere: Guarulhos (39M) and Congonhas (18M) are good for the same number as Soekarno-Hatta alone (57M), not counting Halim Perdanakusuma (at least 4M or otherwise airlines are doing an awful job). And then there are also minor airfields in the region attracting private jets etc. (such as Pondok Cabe).
But once more, the Halim figure is just a self-made estimation based on activity of airlines there. If someone has real figures not being the unrealistic numbers on Wikipedia, I'm waiting .

By the way, that 2.2M what is noted as the maximum capacity of Halim on Wikipedia would be very low as Citilink and Batik Air alone would have their planes filled for less than 50%.
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Indeed, the capacity of the airport is not a good indicator, certainly not in Indonesia. The official capacity of Soekarno-Hatta airport is 22 million passengers per year if I am not mistaken (9 million in terminal 1, 9 million in terminal 2, and 4 million in terminal 3). However, in 2013 the number of passengers already reached 59.7 or almost three times the capacity.

This year, with the start of operations of the remainder of terminal 3, I think the official total capacity of all terminals will be increased to 43 million, and then with refurbishment of terminals 1 and 2 it can be increased further to 62 million.

Similarly, Bandung airport (BDO) has an official capacity of 1 million, but more than 2.5 million passengers annually. Yogyakarta airport (JOG) has an official capacity of 1.5 million, but 5.8 million passengers annually.
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Old May 10th, 2016, 10:51 AM   #1603
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I think it will not be for much longer, see what happens in about five years....
Do you really think MEX (and all the airports in its area combined) will grow from 40 million to more than 70 million passengers in just 5 years? See you in 2021.

Well, maybe you are talking about some other place...

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That's kinda comparing apples and pears as of the three São Paulo is the only airport in the Southern Hemisphere...

Also how about the airport(s) of Jakarta. More passengers than the Sao Paolo airports combined.
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Indeed, São Paulo is not the busiest aviation city of the southern hemisphere: Guarulhos (39M) and Congonhas (18M) are good for the same number as Soekarno-Hatta alone (57M), not counting Halim Perdanakusuma (at least 4M or otherwise airlines are doing an awful job). And then there are also minor airfields in the region attracting private jets etc. (such as Pondok Cabe).
But once more, the Halim figure is just a self-made estimation based on activity of airlines there. If someone has real figures not being the unrealistic numbers on Wikipedia, I'm waiting .

By the way, that 2.2M what is noted as the maximum capacity of Halim on Wikipedia would be very low as Citilink and Batik Air alone would have their planes filled for less than 50%.

São Paulo Air Traffic Control main airports = GRU + CGH + VCP.

Do not forget Viracopos International Airport in Campinas, 82KM from downtown Sao Paulo ("nothing" for an agglomeration of its size), which is also one of the main airports of Sao Paulo area. It held more than 10 million passengers in 2015 and it's the main hub for Azul Linhas Aereas, a Brazilian airline that connects Sao Paulo Viracopos Airport nonstop with more than 50 destinations in Brazil and also with some international destinations such as Fort Lauderdale and Punta del Este (nonstop flights to Lisbon will be added in June 2016).


http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.p...8078638&nseq=6

Viracopos is historically the first "large" international airport of Sao Paulo (CGH was opened to international traffic one year before, in 1959). It has received many international airlines with destination to Sao Paulo (Pan Am, Braniff, Lufthansa, Air France, TAP, BOAC, VIASA, Lan Chile, Avianca etc.) until 1985, when GRU International was innaugurated. Now, as GRU is starting to face some expansion problems, VCP is getting back again its position as one of the main airports of Sao Paulo Area. It has just opened a brand new terminal, capable of handling up to 25 million passengers in its first phase, which is part of a project to reach up to 80 million passengers a year. That proves that Viracopos is not only part of Sao Paulo Air Traffic Control, but also the airport destined to become the main gateway to Sao Paulo in the future.











That means Sao Paulo area accounts for almost 70 million passengers each year, not only the 58.1 million passengers (and not 57 as it was said) of GRU (38.9) and CGH (19.2) combined.

Besides these three main airports, the area has also some other 6 airports for business jets and other activities, like Jundiai, Campo de Marte, Sao Jose dos Campos, Santos, Sorocaba and Amarais.
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Old May 10th, 2016, 09:33 PM   #1604
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Old May 16th, 2016, 09:32 PM   #1606
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Indeed, São Paulo is not the busiest aviation city of the southern hemisphere: Guarulhos (39M) and Congonhas (18M) are good for the same number as Soekarno-Hatta alone (57M), not counting Halim Perdanakusuma (at least 4M or otherwise airlines are doing an awful job). And then there are also minor airfields in the region attracting private jets etc. (such as Pondok Cabe).
But once more, the Halim figure is just a self-made estimation based on activity of airlines there. If someone has real figures not being the unrealistic numbers on Wikipedia, I'm waiting .

By the way, that 2.2M what is noted as the maximum capacity of Halim on Wikipedia would be very low as Citilink and Batik Air alone would have their planes filled for less than 50%.
You are missing Viracopos and its 9 million passengers, plus plenty of smaller ones scattered around the region. São Paulo Terminal (GRU, CGH, VCP) handles 67 million passengers/year.

EDIT: I hadn't seen Abrandao's post above.
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Old May 18th, 2016, 05:55 PM   #1607
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Soekarno-Hatta will rival the KLIA and Changi

Soekarno-Hatta Airport becomes no longer the end goal of the flight but changed its nature into a transit airport.

SHIA soon have new terminal, Terminal 3 Ultimate (T3U), Soekarno-Hatta Airport is the closest equivalent to the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) and Singapore Changi Airport. Various improvements both in terms of facilities to increase the number of passengers carried to raise competitiveness against the two international airports in countries Neighbouring it. T3U presence into the strategy of PT Angkasa Pura II, Soekarno-Hatta Airport operators, to improve services to the community, as well as seizing the airport position best in ASEAN. (Baca: Jokowi make sure the Terminal 3 of the Airport Serving Operate June 2016)

Angkasa Pura II President Director Budi Karya Sumadi reveals operation T3U, Soekarno-Hatta Airport becomes no longer the end goal, but changed its nature into a transit airport. International direct flights will be improved to realize these goals, and to increase the number of passengers to and from abroad. (Baca:Soekarno-Hatta Airport is the 8th Busiest in Asia)

Built with the local wisdom that presents some of the trappings of a typical Indonesia, T3U comes with a number of facilities capable of, such as a large parking area and a runway for larger aircraft. Adequate departure gates will also be available in the terminal with capacity of 25 million passengers a year it was. Public transport such as trains and light rail transit (LRT) Jakarta will be built to support the operations of the airport.

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Rio-São Paulo "Air Bridge": 4 million passengers in 2014

14,000 daily passengers in 142 flights (A320s and B373s) between the central airports of São Paulo (Congonhas) and Rio de Janeiro (Santos Dumont).

The "Air Bridge" ("Ponte Aérea") concept was created in 1959 by a poll of airlines operating the route between the two airports. The passenger arrived and just took the first flight available. It was replicated later in New York-Washington and Madrid-Barcelona.

The article is very interesting. Google Translate needed though.
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Mumbai Airport new T2 Interior Is The Best In The World Airport Handle about 40 million Passengers Every Year and numbers will grow in coming years. For Pictures click this link >> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...780406&page=22
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Old May 23rd, 2016, 09:34 PM   #1611
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A comparison of air traffic between New York, Paris, London and various regions of the world.

All figures refer to passenger traffic in 2014 and come from Eurostat for London (6 airports) and Paris (3 airports), and from the US Bureau of Transportation Statistics for New York (6 airports).

Let's start with air traffic between these 3 world cities and the BRICs.

Brazil:
- New York: 1,097,938 air passengers between all Brazilian airports and the 6 New York airports in 2014
- Paris: 989,102
- London: 625,458

Russia:
- Paris: 1,137,859
- London: 982,410
- New York: 555,590

India:
- London: 2,619,684
- New York: 671,977
- Paris: 612,747

China (mainland):
- Paris: 1,584,102
- London: 972,263
- New York: 882,080

And now the various regions of the world. I'm not including North America, which is the home market of New York, and Western Europe, where TGV traffic makes air traffic comparisons between Paris and London rather meaningless.

East Asia (China, HK, Taiwan, Koreas, Japan, Mongolia):
- Paris: 3,960,998 (figure rose to 4,238,736 in 2015)
- London: 3,814,971 (figure rose to 3,848,509 in 2015)
- New York: 3,336,094 (figure for 2015 not yet available)

South-East Asia & Australia/NZ:
- London: 3,207,078 (figure rose to 3,289,585 in 2015)
- Paris: 1,666,578 (figure declined to 1,601,647 in 2015)
- New York: 0

This region of the world is the one which shows the limits of this air traffic comparison. New York has no direct flights any further than Hong Kong. Obviously there are people who travel between South-East Asia and New York, but they need to change planes somewhere in between. Unfortunately data are only available for passengers on direct flights.

Also, it is not possible to separate South-East Asia from Australia/NZ, because many people from Australia/NZ use Singapore as a transit airport. On the other hand, not all traffic between Australia/NZ and London/Paris is included here, since many passengers to and from Australia/NZ change plane in Hong Kong and above all in the Gulf airports.

South-East Asia minus Singapore would have 1,467,573 passengers for London, and 1,233,492 for Paris. It's probably a more accurate representation of the amount of traffic between the region and Paris/London.

Indian subcontinent:
- London: 3,242,111 (figure declined to 3,058,539 in 2015)
- Paris: 746,362 (figure rose to 851,968 in 2015)
- New York: 716,837 (figure for 2015 not yet available)

Central Asia & Caucasus:
- London: 189,879
- Paris: 132,478
- New York: 3,437

MENA (from Morocco to Iran, and including Turkey):
- Paris: 12,972,347 (without Turkey: 11,506,395)
- London: 12,956,886 (without Turkey: 9,926,687)
- New York: 3,415,426 (without Turkey: 2,867,667)

Obviously these figures include lots of traffic whose destination/origin is in fact the Indian subcontinent and Australia/NZ with people changing planes in the Gulf airports, as well as increasingly destination/origin in sub-Saharan Africa with people changing planes in Algiers and Casablanca.

Sub-Saharan Africa:
- Paris: 4,706,226
- London: 3,166,700
- New York: 344,476

Eastern Europe (the former Communist countries, including Russia, but excluding Croatia to remove bias due to 'Med effect'):
- London: 10,745,092 (1/3 of which with Poland only)
- Paris: 5,020,052
- New York: 833,763

Scandinavia (from Iceland to Finland and Denmark):
- London: 8,300,356
- Paris: 3,089,402
- New York: 1,377,439

Caribbean (including Bermuda, Cancun, Belize, and the Guianas):
- New York: 9,055,599
- Paris: 3,771,830
- London: 2,027,114

Continental Latin America (excluding Cancun, Belize, and the Guianas):
- New York: 4,405,165
- Paris: 2,319,054
- London: 1,050,854

What's pretty noticeable is New York dominates only in the Americas. Paris and London share the rest of the world between themselves.
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What's pretty noticeable is New York dominates only in the Americas. Paris and London share the rest of the world between themselves.
2 points

1. Usually Americans travel more domestically than Europeans. The US is as big as the continent of Europe so a flight from New York-LA is longer than London to the Middle East for example.

2. New York's population is well below 10% of the US population so people have other alternatives (LA for example, when travelling to Asia). London and Paris are 20% of their respective countries population so they are without a doubt the main hub of their countries.
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If a comparison is made between US, UK and France, then US will be the dominant player despite UK and France being more "centrally" located in geographical context.
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Rio-São Paulo "Air Bridge": 4 million passengers in 2014

14,000 daily passengers in 142 flights (A320s and B373s) between the central airports of São Paulo (Congonhas) and Rio de Janeiro (Santos Dumont).

The "Air Bridge" ("Ponte Aérea") concept was created in 1959 by a poll of airlines operating the route between the two airports. The passenger arrived and just took the first flight available. It was replicated later in New York-Washington and Madrid-Barcelona.

The article is very interesting. Google Translate needed though.
Cool to know. The Madrid-Barcelona one has all but collapsed as the high-speed train has made it uncompetitive. Passengers fell from 4.600.000 to 2.200.000 between 2007 and 2013. I imagine the New York-Washington one has been somewhat hit by Acela too, despite not being nearly as competitive a service...
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If a comparison is made between US, UK and France, then US will be the dominant player
Not necessarily. In 2014 there were only 1,121,130 air passengers between the US and sub-Saharan Africa, whereas there were 4,831,680 air passengers between Metropolitan France and sub-Saharan Africa (on top of these there were also 822,011 air passengers between the French departments of Réunion/Mayotte and sub-Saharan African countries + 158,361 air passengers between Réunion and Mayotte), and 3,306,069 between the UK and sub-Saharan Africa.

There were only 8,135,968 air passengers between the US and the MENA (Middle East and North Africa), or 6,730,086 if Turkey is excluded from the MENA, whereas there were 20,140,020 air passengers between France and the MENA (17,264,969 if Turkey is excluded), and 20,024,990 between the UK and the MENA (14,289,254 if Turkey is excluded).

There were only 979,439 air passengers between the US and the Indian subcontinent, whereas there were 3,635,667 between the UK and the Indian subcontinent, and 750,591 between France and the Indian subcontinent.

So France and the UK dominate the US both in the MENA and sub-Saharan Africa, to say nothing of Europe of course, and the UK also dominates the US in the Indian subcontinent.

The US dominates only in the Americas and in East Asia. For South-East Asia it is not possible to say who dominates due to the lack of direct flights with many of these countries, plus the flows of travelers to and from Australia/NZ which get mixed with those from South-East Asia proper.

And then even when the US dominate, such as in East Asia, New York is not particularly dominating.

For example, this was the number of air passengers who traveled between East Asian airports and EU and mainland US cities in 2014 (all airports combined for each city):
- Los Angeles: 4,815,846
- Paris: 3,960,998 (figure rose to 4,238,736 in 2015)
- London: 3,814,971 (figure rose to 3,848,509 in 2015)
- SF Bay Area: 3,778,996
- Frankfurt: 3,586,666 (figure rose to 3,863,439 in 2015)
- New York: 3,336,094
- Amsterdam: 2,289,948 (figure rose to 2,394,424 in 2015)
- Chicago: 1,943,372
- Helsinki: 1,295,938
- Seattle: 1,185,018
- Munich: 994,097
- Detroit: 814,193
- Rome: 788,083
- Dallas: 697,075
- Washington DC: 610,972
- Milan: 502,773
- Houston: 457,553
- Vienna: 447,183
- Atlanta: 444,002

- Copenhagen: 369,311

And this was the number of air passengers who traveled between mainland Chinese airports and EU and mainland US cities in 2014 (all airports combined for each city):
- Paris: 1,584,102 (figure rose to 1,852,861 in 2015)
- Frankfurt: 1,469,611 (figure rose to 1,562,842 in 2015)
- Los Angeles: 1,137,621
- London: 972,263 (figure rose to 1,072,535 in 2015)
- Amsterdam: 972,191 (figure rose to 1,060,323 in 2015)
- New York: 882,080
- SF Bay Area: 811,068

- Chicago: 677,625
- Munich: 442,151
- Helsinki: 417,230
- Seattle: 310,824
- Detroit: 307,901

- Rome: 247,531
- Copenhagen: 235,041
- Milan: 197,251
- Washington DC: 195,129
- Houston: 144,457

- Stockholm: 119,574
- Vienna: 112,214
- Brussels: 98,423
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Cool to know. The Madrid-Barcelona one has all but collapsed as the high-speed train has made it uncompetitive. Passengers fell from 4.600.000 to 2.200.000 between 2007 and 2013. I imagine the New York-Washington one has been somewhat hit by Acela too, despite not being nearly as competitive a service...
There were 6,858,916 million air passengers between New York and Miami in 2014 though, so nearly 3 million more than the Rio-São Paulo "air bridge". This is the figure for direct flights without stopover.

There were also 5,731,740 air passengers between New York and Chicago.

There were 5,172,257 air passengers between New York and LA. This figure might slightly underestimate traffic between both cities, as it excludes the passengers on flights between both cities with a stopover (for example, if a plane took off from New York, had a stopover in Chicago where they took in some more passengers, took off again and landed in LA, the passengers from New York would be counted as passengers traveling to Chicago and not to LA, and so not included in the 5,171,257 figure).

There were 4,305,385 air passengers between New York and Orlando.

There were only 3,863,897 passengers between New York and the SF Bay Area. I would have thought more.
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But I think the figure posted by the Brazilian forumer refers to the pair CGH-SDU only. It should be noticed that Rio is served by two airports (GIG and SDU) and São Paulo area includes three airports (GRU, VCP and CGH) and, if I'm right, there are also commercial flights between GIG and São Paulo's three and SDU and the remaining two of São Paulo. So, the total figure should be more than 8 million. According to Wikipedia, in 2012 (the latest available figure there) there were 7.76 million passengers taking into account all airports.

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There were 6,858,916 million air passengers between New York and Miami in 2014 though, so nearly 3 million more than the Rio-São Paulo "air bridge". This is the figure for direct flights without stopover.

There were also 5,731,740 air passengers between New York and Chicago.

There were 5,172,257 air passengers between New York and LA. This figure might slightly underestimate traffic between both cities, as it excludes the passengers on flights between both cities with a stopover (for example, if a plane took off from New York, had a stopover in Chicago where they took in some more passengers, took off again and landed in LA, the passengers from New York would be counted as passengers traveling to Chicago and not to LA, and so not included in the 5,171,257 figure).

There were 4,305,385 air passengers between New York and Orlando.

There were only 3,863,897 passengers between New York and the SF Bay Area. I would have thought more.

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But I think the figure posted by the Brazilian forumer refers to the pair CGH-SDU only. It should be noticed that Rio is served by two airports (GIG and SDU) and São Paulo area includes three airports (GRU, VCP and CGH) and, if I'm right, there are also commercial flights between GIG and São Paulo's three and SDU and the remaining two of São Paulo. So, the total figure should be more than 8 million. According to Wikipedia, in 2012 (the latest available figure there) there were 7.76 million passengers taking into account all airports.

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That is it.

The traffic between the two main cities of Brazil ranks nowadays as number 2 or 3 in the world (after Seoul-Jeju and probably Tokyo-Sapporo).

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Sea-Tac might be the fastest growing airport in the US for the second straight year. I don't know what other airports are doing, but year-to-date is up 10.3% through April. That suggests that it might be in the mid-high 40s for the year. Domestic grew 10.38% and international 9.71%.

Those Seattle-Asia numbers are interesting. We've been adding routes, including a handful of new ones to China. Asian traffic totaled 1,528,243 in 2014, 1,852,685 in 2015 (up 21%), and 569,249 through April 2016 (up 7%). http://www.portseattle.org/About/Pub...s/default.aspx

The new International Arrivals Terminal is apparently starting late this year. This will solve the log-jam we currently experience when a few overseas routes land at once.
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+ the Australian cities. The detail of international traffic to/from the Canadian airports is unavailable online, unless someones asks StatCan to provide the data... It's top secret information apparently.

Air passengers who traveled between East Asian airports and Western cities in 2014 (all airports combined for each city):
- Los Angeles: 4,815,846
- Paris: 3,960,998 (figure rose to 4,238,736 in 2015)
- London: 3,814,971 (figure rose to 3,848,509 in 2015)
- SF Bay Area: 3,778,996
- Frankfurt: 3,586,666 (figure rose to 3,863,439 in 2015)
- New York: 3,336,094
- Sydney: 2,685,401 (figure rose to 2,851,430 in 2015)
- Amsterdam: 2,289,948 (figure rose to 2,394,424 in 2015)
- Chicago: 1,943,372
- Helsinki: 1,295,938
- Melbourne: 1,238,686 (figure rose to 1,486,886 in 2015)
- Seattle: 1,185,018
- Munich: 994,097
- Detroit: 814,193
- Rome: 788,083
- Dallas: 697,075
- Brisbane: 632,090 (figure rose to 770,501 in 2015)
- Washington DC: 610,972
- Milan: 502,773
- Houston: 457,553
- Vienna: 447,183
- Atlanta: 444,002

- Copenhagen: 369,311

And this was the number of air passengers who traveled between mainland Chinese airports and Western cities in 2014 (all airports combined for each city):
- Paris: 1,584,102 (figure rose to 1,852,861 in 2015)
- Frankfurt: 1,469,611 (figure rose to 1,562,842 in 2015)
- Los Angeles: 1,137,621
- London: 972,263 (figure rose to 1,072,535 in 2015)
- Amsterdam: 972,191 (figure rose to 1,060,323 in 2015)
- Sydney: 962,015 (figure rose to 1,028,381 in 2015)
- New York: 882,080
- SF Bay Area: 811,068

- Chicago: 677,625
- Melbourne: 565,410 (figure rose to 692,256 in 2015)
- Munich: 442,151
- Helsinki: 417,230
- Seattle: 310,824
- Detroit: 307,901

- Rome: 247,531
- Copenhagen: 235,041
- Milan: 197,251
- Washington DC: 195,129
- Houston: 144,457

- Stockholm: 119,574
- Vienna: 112,214
- Brussels: 98,423
- Brisbane: 93,992 (figure rose to 120,326 in 2015)
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