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Old July 25th, 2016, 10:41 PM   #1681
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Of course, London is the "big" European destination due to its single weight, large Romanian migrant population and dominance as the top tourist attraction for Romanians engaged in "big city" tourism.
I don't really know why that would be the case, given that a- Paris is a bigger tourist destination than London, and b- the Francophile tradition of Romania.

It is bizarre Romanian tourists now prefer London according to you.
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Also, notice that most of Europe has closer links to London than with Frankfurt and/or Paris. The big exception is of course Russia.
For Russia, Frankfurt and Paris are almost tied in fact.

This was the number of air passengers to/from Russia in 2015:
- Frankfurt airport: 1,031,026 (-13.7% compared to 2014)
- Paris airports: 1,008,165 (-11.4%)
- London airports: 826,499 (-15.9%)
- Amsterdam airport: 603,999 (+3.6%)

The fact that Paris has more passengers to/from Ukraine than the other 3 (although almost tied with Amsterdam) is a mystery to me on the other hand.

Passengers to/from Ukraine in 2015:
- Paris airports: 293,989 (+24.0%)
- Amsterdam airport 293,134 (+23.3%)
- Frankfurt airport: 272,389 (+17.9%)
- London airports: 228,643 (+6.4%)
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Old July 26th, 2016, 12:39 AM   #1682
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I don't really know why that would be the case, given that a- Paris is a bigger tourist destination than London, and b- the Francophile tradition of Romania.

It is bizarre Romanian tourists now prefer London according to you.
The Francophile tradition has taken a big hit due to links now being often "forged" by family ties with the diaspora, which is more numerous in Italy, Spain, Germany and the UK. Also, young people (which in Romania tend to be more mobile) are overwhelmingly more likely to be familiar with English (most kids study English and French/German, but English starts earlier) and to favour the UK as their prefered would-be migration destination (which baffles me, I studied in London and did not find it such a great "to live" city).

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Passengers to/from Ukraine in 2015:
- Paris airports: 293,989 (+24.0%)
- Amsterdam airport 293,134 (+23.3%)
- Frankfurt airport: 272,389 (+17.9%)
- London airports: 228,643 (+6.4%)
Indeed. Out of the top of my head I would have thought Frankfurt to be the top destination (or Munich?) due to much closer ties by Germany with the former USSR. Frankfurt is, in fact, third. I am even more surprised by how high Amsterdam ranks, than by Paris.7

P.S. The list would be nice with Madrid too. I know it took a nosedive during the crisis, but is recovering sharply now, rivaling Amsterdam in terms of growth.
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Old July 26th, 2016, 08:08 AM   #1683
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Major Bulgarian Airports

Sofia
June 2016 (2015)
passengers 415 559 (368 440) +12.8%
aircraft movements 4 509 (3 905) +15.5%
cargo 1 748 (1 823) -4.1%

January-June 2016 (2015)
passengers 2 174 335 (1 913 392) +13.6%
aircraft movements 23 795 (21 217) +12.2%
cargo 10 326 (8 951) +15.4%

Burgas
June 2016 (2015)
passengers 507.601 (412.118) +23,2%

January-June 2016 (2015)
passengers 684.154 (546.404) +25,2%
cargo 6.522 +25,7%

Varna
June 2016 (2015)
passengers 272.337 (220.054) +23,8%

January-June 2016 (2015)
passengers 499.737 (402.115) +24,3%
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Old July 26th, 2016, 09:20 AM   #1684
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It is bizarre Romanian tourists now prefer London according to you.
I don't see anything bizarre about that. The situation is the same in Bulgaria, too.

From Sofia there are about 7 flights to London daily. Paris has 2/3 incl. Beauvais. London is also served from every airport in the country (3 other ones), which isn't the case for any of the other cities in your chart (not incl. charter flights).

And this is not mentioning any of the other UK destinations from Sofia. And in France no other city is served (but should, because France is underserved).

So London (all airports) is the top destination from Sofia. Interestingly enough, until a few years ago, the top destination used to be Vienna.
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Old July 26th, 2016, 08:27 PM   #1685
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I don't see anything bizarre about that. The situation is the same in Bulgaria, too.

From Sofia there are about 7 flights to London daily. Paris has 2/3 incl. Beauvais. London is also served from every airport in the country (3 other ones), which isn't the case for any of the other cities in your chart (not incl. charter flights).

And this is not mentioning any of the other UK destinations from Sofia. And in France no other city is served (but should, because France is underserved).

So London (all airports) is the top destination from Sofia. Interestingly enough, until a few years ago, the top destination used to be Vienna.
I think that the growth of the UK as a top destination is now going to slow down, of course, given that restrictions on CEE workers will be rolled in. Ironically, the UK´s popularity among Eastern Europeans was a big factor in getting voters there to leave the EU.
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Old July 28th, 2016, 01:47 AM   #1686
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Indeed. Out of the top of my head I would have thought Frankfurt to be the top destination (or Munich?) due to much closer ties by Germany with the former USSR. Frankfurt is, in fact, third. I am even more surprised by how high Amsterdam ranks, than by Paris.
Frankfurt is in fact 4th behind Vienna.

This was the air traffic between Ukraine and the EU metro areas in 2015:
1- Paris airports: 293,989 passengers to/from Ukraine
2- Amsterdam airport: 293,134
3- Vienna airport: 290,908
4- Frankfurt airport: 272,389
5- Warsaw airport: no final result yet, but probably around 260,000
6- Munich airport: 256,945
7- London airports: 228,643
8- Larnaca airport: 142,528
9- Milan airports: 130,834
10- Riga airport: 113,313
11- Rome airports: 111,578
12- Barcelona airport: 108,701
13- Vilnius airport: 107,225

Perhaps Paris and Amsterdam are high because they are used as transit hubs between Ukraine and Italy/Spain where there are lots of Ukrainian immigrants. Madrid has a very small air traffic with Ukraine.
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Old July 31st, 2016, 06:38 PM   #1687
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Old July 31st, 2016, 08:00 PM   #1688
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I don't really know why that would be the case, given that a- Paris is a bigger tourist destination than London, and b- the Francophile tradition of Romania.

It is bizarre Romanian tourists now prefer London according to you.

For Russia, Frankfurt and Paris are almost tied in fact.

This was the number of air passengers to/from Russia in 2015:
- Frankfurt airport: 1,031,026 (-13.7% compared to 2014)
- Paris airports: 1,008,165 (-11.4%)
- London airports: 826,499 (-15.9%)
- Amsterdam airport: 603,999 (+3.6%)

The fact that Paris has more passengers to/from Ukraine than the other 3 (although almost tied with Amsterdam) is a mystery to me on the other hand.

Passengers to/from Ukraine in 2015:
- Paris airports: 293,989 (+24.0%)
- Amsterdam airport 293,134 (+23.3%)
- Frankfurt airport: 272,389 (+17.9%)
- London airports: 228,643 (+6.4%)
London is a bigger tourist destination than paris
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Old July 31st, 2016, 08:13 PM   #1689
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A map showing in which countries/territories each of Europe's big 4 city airport systems dominated in 2015. For example the countries/territories in red had more air passengers with the 6 London airports than with the 3 Paris airports or with Frankfurt airport or with Amsterdam airport. The countries/territories in grey had no direct air traffic with any of Europe's top 4 air cities in 2015. The largest countries with no air traffic with Amsterdam, Frankfurt, London, Paris in 2015 were Myanmar (52 million inh.) and Sudan (39 million inh.).



There are several interesting things there. We can see that Paris dominates in all its former colonies/protectorates, but London does not dominate in all its former colonies (Ghana and Gambia have more air traffic with Amsterdam than London; Sierra Leone, Seychelles and Mauritius have more air traffic with Paris than London, although of course the last two were French colonies before being British colonies; etc). In particular, London (British Airways) seems to have abandoned East Africa, where Amsterdam (Lufthansa) is now dominant.

For non-former colonies of the four countries, Frankfurt dominates in the former USSR, whereas Paris dominates in East Asia and in Latin America.

Eastern Europe is almost funny in its juvenile Londo/Brito-mania. When places like Poland, the Baltic States, Hungary have more air traffic with London than with Frankfurt, you know something is really twisted. Perhaps this is due to the quasi-general abandonment of foreign language teaching other than English in those countries after the fall of the Berlin Wall, under the influence of America, Radio Free Europe, and all the like.

In Western Europe, obviously the colors don't mean much in several of these countries, as they are as much accessible by train as by plan. If train traffic was included, obviously Germany would be green, Belgium and Switzerland would be blue, Netherlands would be pink.
Because ex british colonies are so much richer and more successfull than ex french colonies, they are more globally connected with other countries all around the world (as all richer more developed places are), but the low development level and poverty of ex french colonies means they are left with just france, which keeps them poor, a tragedy really london dominates the important destinations while paris is top destination for some of the poorest parts of the world.
Boosterism, looks sad doesnt it, not even subtle with it anymore

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Old August 1st, 2016, 11:34 PM   #1690
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London is a bigger tourist destination than paris
Not at all.

Paris is a bigger touristic destination while London is the bigger business city.
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 09:55 AM   #1691
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Agree. Paris and France are bigger tourist destinations than London and UK respectively.
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 07:18 PM   #1692
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This is off topic but london surpassed paris several years ago now, it was posted and discussed in several threads and mass media, google is your friend
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 08:01 PM   #1693
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Eastern Europe is served by many German airports not just Frankfurt, while the UK is much more centralized.

Also many people just take the bus or train from eastern Europe to Germany. Or they simply just drive.
It is more centralized, and of course overland options are longer and less attractive to the UK (though I have known Romanians who take the bus home from London ).

There are however quite a range of CEE destinations served by airports in the North and Midlands of England. Mostly diaspora effect, but also British tourists on weekend breaks and business.
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 08:03 PM   #1694
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Boosterism, looks sad doesnt it, not even subtle with it anymore
Indeed, now stop that Stop That!
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 10:31 PM   #1696
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London is a bigger tourist destination than paris
but when you include Versailles and Disneyland Paris .......for the Paris urban area......
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 08:02 AM   #1697
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London and Paris are both big airport hubs. Can we move on now?
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 08:48 PM   #1698
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Paris is a bigger touristic destination while London is the bigger business city.
Actually Paris is a bigger business city too.

According to Eurostat (the EU's statistical agency), in 2014 (last year available) the Paris Region produced a GDP of 863 billion US dollars, whereas Greater London produced a GDP of only 677 billion US dollars. Even if you add the bits of the London metro area located beyond Greater London, you get a GDP smaller than the Paris Region's.

Paris has the 4th largest metropolitan economy in the world after Tokyo, New York, and Los Angeles. In the future, it will probably be passed by Seoul when the value of the South Korean won finally increases. For the Seoul-Incheon metro area to have a larger GDP than the Paris metro area, 1,000 won should be worth more than 0.89 euros. As of today, 1,000 won are worth 0.80 euros. In the past 10 years, at its maximum 1,000 won were worth 0.86 euros (in April 2015).

Regarding London, for the London metro area to have a larger GDP than the Paris metro area, the sterling pound would have to be worth more than 1.37 euros. Since the Brexit referendum last June, the pound has now stabilized at 1.19 euros, and is unlikely to be worth more than 1.37 euros anytime soon.
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Continuing this growth rate DMK will end up with aprox. 36 million close to Top 50 worldwide by year end.
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Actually Paris is a bigger business city too. US dollars. Even if you add the bits of the London metro area located beyond Greater London...
Paris area airports are around 2/3 as busy as London area airports or maybe 3/4 as busy. London has 4 x 10m PAX + airports and Paris has only 2 of them.

Paris overall is not growing as strongly as London either. Can we stop the Paris nonsense please.
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