Indianapolis Development News 2

[moochie]

Originally Posted by GT

so a bldg on Pennsylvania is out of the question for J. Allen et al or another developer is looking @ Pan Am site?

The Penn tower is not in jeopardy. However, it's eventual height will be affected by the projected number of available hotel rooms in the area by the time ground is broken late this year to early next year.

From what I gather, the city has basically asked any hotel who's interested to build a thousand room hotel as close as possible to the Convention Center expansion. The most likely place would be on or near Pan Am Plaza. With such strict space limitations, a hotel that large would have to build very high, possibly 40-60 stories.

[cwilson758]

Originally Posted by moochie

The Penn tower is not in jeopardy. However, it's eventual height will be affected by the projected number of available hotel rooms in the area by the time ground is broken late this year to early next year.

From what I gather, the city has basically asked any hotel who's interested to build a thousand room hotel as close as possible to the Convention Center expansion. The most likely place would be on or near Pan Am Plaza. With such strict space limitations, a hotel that large would have to build very high, possibly 40-60 stories.

Yes, it will have some bearing, but in the convention business, a top-tier city is required to have at least one hotel that has 1,000 rooms. So, we could see 5 hotels go up before this one, and the city would still need a single hotel with 1,000 rooms.

[cwilson758]

Indianapolis, January 24 - By now most of us have seen the layout of the new stadium in terms of football games. But the new facility will also be a basketball venue.

In essence, the new stadium can be turned into a 70,000 seat basketball arena.

From football to conventions to the Final Four, the new Indiana Stadium is designed to be versatile.

The Stadium Authority, during Tuesday's meeting, saw how the building will look when set up for NCAA basketball.

Sue Donohoe of the NCAA says it can become one of the largest arena's in the country. "We can take building from 70,000 seat stadium to 35,000 seat stadium. That's not just important for men and women's basketball, it is important for all NCAA championships."

There is another key factor. The design puts center court in the center of the floor making the Indiana Stadium the first multi-use venue to do so.

Bryan Trubey with HKS Architects says that's good news for fans. "With the center court arrangement all seating stays focused on the same point."

And seating in the bowl will be steeper than any other venue. Trubey says the stadium also features large state of the art video boards in two corners "that really puts all the seats in close proximity to the huge video messages."

There is another important plus to the NCAA and stadium operator. There is a large amount of backstage space for loading, storage, media staging and team lockers.

And unlike the RCA Dome, the new stadium, set on a diagonal, will have four main entrances, plus plazas at each corner for collegiate fans to gather and show their pride.

There are some new figures in on the stadium tax. The new food and beverage tax implemented to help pay for the new stadium is not bringing in as much revenue as expected, at least not in Marion County.

State finance officials say in the four months since the tax took effect, Marion County is $800,000 short of projections.

Marion County and six other counties adopted the one-percent tax last summer. While the tax is new to the doughnut counties, Marion County has had a food and beverage tax on the books for 20 years. In July it went from one to two percent to help with the stadium.

While the Marion County tax is falling short of projections, most of the other counties brought in significantly more than projected. The state has also locked in long-term financing at a rate of 4.23 percent, less than expected and already saving the state roughly a million dollars in interest.




The basketball court will be in the center of the stadium floor, a first for multi-use venues.



I must say that Indy does not "screw" around when it comes to big-ticket sports venues. With the Fieldhouse the top-ranked baskeball arena in the US, could the Stadium be a best of the best when completed?

[KM1410]

Originally Posted by cwilson758

Yes, it will have some bearing, but in the convention business, a top-tier city is required to have at least one hotel that has 1,000 rooms. So, we could see 5 hotels go up before this one, and the city would still need a single hotel with 1,000 rooms.

Indy was supposed to get a 1,000 room hotel back in the 90s, but good ol Steve Goldsmith picked the Mariott project over the others because if you added up all the Mariott rooms in downtown they added up to over 1,000 rooms and he thought that would be the same as a single 1,000 room hotel.

With Simon leaving National City Center, I'm sure Hyatt will expand into the vacated space. That will probably take the Hyatt close to 1,000 rooms. As for the new 1,000 room hotel, I wonder what brand it would be? The only name I can think of thats not downtown is Sheraton. Or maybe Mariott might change their current hotel to a Renaissance and build a new hotel.

As for the location of the new hotel, I always thought they would demolish the tower at Pan Am Plaza and build the hotel there.

[thehoss257]

I wanted to share a few renderings that I created with the 3D design program, Sketch Up soon after Market Square Partners were chosen to redevelop the Market Square site. I created this model mainly to experiment with the software, but also to communicate some of my ideas to the planners and developers. I updated the towers in the model to match the official plans with the second revision of the developers plans.

There were six main ideas that I wanted to communicate with this model. The first idea was that the downtown core should be stretched toward East Street. The second idea was that all of Alexander Ralstons original streets and alleys should be respected. The third idea was that a traffic circle should be created at the intersection of Market and East Streets. The fourth was that retail should be focused on Market Street, not a galleria or pedestrian mall. The fifth was that a minimum height and setback requirement be set up between the 8th and 12th floors to allow for visual continuity. The sixth was that the second tower should be moved to the east in order provide for better views and a better skyline impact.


Possible traffic circles on Market at the East and West Street intersections


Close up of Market Square redevelopment area and traffic circle


My Photo Paint revision of MSPs original site plan. This type of plan would have allowed multiple developers to participate within a set of design guidelines rather than one developer controlling the entire site.


Arial view from East St. looking toward Monument Circle and West St.


Viewing the redevelopment area from the south, looking north



Figure describing minimum height and setback requirements


A 30 story building with a setback at the ninth floor& Go easy on me, Im not an architect... I like the final MSP tower better than mine. The height of the finished tower will be very close to the one that I envisioned, however, its lowest setback on Market Street will be on the 3rd or 4th floor, not between the 8th or 12th floor.


Street lamps surrounding redevelopment, to be used later in a comprehensive lighting project


Another view of the redevelopment area.

I would love to hear any comments.

[Raytownthug]

I thank Indy is a great city much better than anything in the shit belt (I mean rust belt) Thanks for the thread guys.

[moochie]

Originally Posted by thehoss257

I wanted to share a few renderings that I created with the 3D design program, Sketch Up soon after Market Square Partners were chosen to redevelop the Market Square site. I created this model mainly to experiment with the software, but also to communicate some of my ideas to the planners and developers. I updated the towers in the model to match the official plans with the second revision of the developers plans.

There were six main ideas that I wanted to communicate with this model. The first idea was that the downtown core should be stretched toward East Street. The second idea was that all of Alexander Ralstons original streets and alleys should be respected. The third idea was that a traffic circle should be created at the intersection of Market and East Streets. The fourth was that retail should be focused on Market Street, not a galleria or pedestrian mall. The fifth was that a minimum height and setback requirement be set up between the 8th and 12th floors to allow for visual continuity. The sixth was that the second tower should be moved to the east in order provide for better views and a better skyline impact.

I'm not sure I understand the need for the roundabout at East street.. Why not do as originally proposed and stretch the core all the way to College ave and the railroad underpass? Putting a roundabout at East street may have the effect of being a psychological barrier for the rest of East Market street, which is why the ramps are being moved to Washington this September in the first place. Why not have a nice roundabout with landscaping at College?

Also, the land that you've got tower 2 located is not actually owned by Market Square... partners... or whoever it is that is building One Market square. they own the parking garage to the north, and the vacant former Bank One 2 story adjacent to the parking lot, but they do not own the parking lot.

[jmancuso]

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