Never built Stadiums

[aCidMinD81]

Originally Posted by stadiumfuture

I love the Grupo Llanera proposal. What are you think.

More pics of Llanera-GMP proposal.

[JacobRit]

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i like the mestella! great atmosphere

[JimB]

Originally Posted by aCidMinD81

The stadium will be built by a sponsor group as a concesion, Valencia CF is dealing with Toyota and Sony. So the club won't pay nothing for it. After the years of sponsoship, around 20 or 25 years, the stadium will be property of the club. Valencia CF has nowadays 44.500 members and a long queue of people who wants to become member but they can't because of the current capability of the Mestalla Stadium.

I find it very hard to believe that any sponsor would pay €20 million per annum for stadium naming rights. Arsenal, for instance, won't get anything like that for their new stadium. And Valencia are certainly not a bigger name in European football than Arsenal.

And I repeat: over the past seven years of well above average success for Valencia, their average crowds have only been between 40,000 and 46,000 in a stadium with a capacity of at least 54,000. There is therefore no good reason to argue that Valencia need anything remotely close to a 70,000 capacity.

[Peshu]

Originally Posted by JimB

I find it very hard to believe that any sponsor would pay €20 million per annum for stadium naming rights. Arsenal, for instance, won't get anything like that for their new stadium. And Valencia are certainly not a bigger name in European football than Arsenal.

And I repeat: over the past seven years of well above average success for Valencia, their average crowds have only been between 40,000 and 46,000 in a stadium with a capacity of at least 54,000. There is therefore no good reason to argue that Valencia need anything remotely close to a 70,000 capacity.

What makes you think that Valencia aren't a reasonably big club in Europe.They have won U.E.F.A and cup winners cup trophies and have been in the champions league final twice in the last five years.I don't remember Arsenal ever reaching a champions league final.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by Peshu

What makes you think that Valencia aren't a reasonably big club in Europe.They have won U.E.F.A and cup winners cup trophies and have been in the champions league final twice in the last five years.I don't remember Arsenal ever reaching a champions league final.

I didn't say that Valencia aren't a reasonably big club in Europe. I only said that they are no bigger than Arsenal.

[MoreOrLess]

Originally Posted by JimB

I find it very hard to believe that any sponsor would pay €20 million per annum for stadium naming rights. Arsenal, for instance, won't get anything like that for their new stadium. And Valencia are certainly not a bigger name in European football than Arsenal.

From what he said I was under the impression that the stadium would actually be owned by the sponsers for 20-25 years with the club as tenants.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by MoreOrLess

From what he said I was under the impression that the stadium would actually be owned by the sponsers for 20-25 years with the club as tenants.

aCidmin wrote nothing about Valencia being rent paying tenants. He wrote:

"The stadium will be built by a sponsor group as a concesion, Valencia CF is dealing with Toyota and Sony. So the club won't pay nothing for it. After the years of sponsoship, around 20 or 25 years, the stadium will be property of the club."

I take that to mean that the deal is that a sponsor will own the stadium and get the stadium naming rights for a period of 20-25 years in return for paying the building costs.

I just find that very hard to believe. I can't think of any company that would see €430 million up front for only 20-25 years of stadium naming rights as a sound investment. In fact, the more I think of it, the more nonsensical it seems.

[MoreOrLess]

If the sponsors own the stadium then surely that opens up the possibility that Valencia will pay a certain amount per season to use it and without knowing that its hard to make sense of the deal.

[aCidMinD81]

Originally Posted by JimB

aCidmin wrote nothing about Valencia being rent paying tenants. He wrote:

"The stadium will be built by a sponsor group as a concesion, Valencia CF is dealing with Toyota and Sony. So the club won't pay nothing for it. After the years of sponsoship, around 20 or 25 years, the stadium will be property of the club."

I take that to mean that the deal is that a sponsor will own the stadium and get the stadium naming rights for a period of 20-25 years in return for paying the building costs.

I just find that very hard to believe. I can't think of any company that would see €430 million up front for only 20-25 years of stadium naming rights as a sound investment. In fact, the more I think of it, the more nonsensical it seems.

Not just for naming, the sponsor will get the rights of the comercial zone around the stadium. Valencia won't have to pay nothing to use the stadium, just give the right to the sponsor to rent the comercial zone during 20/25/30 years.

Dont't forget that the spot where the stadium will be built is 80.000 m2 in the city center and property of the club.

[MoreOrLess]

Originally Posted by aCidMinD81

Not just for naming, the sponsor will get the rights of the comercial zone around the stadium. Valencia won't have to pay nothing to use the stadium, just give the right to the sponsor to rent the comercial zone during 20/25/30 years.

Dont't forget that the spot where the stadium will be built is 80.000 m2 in the city center and property of the club.

Typically fishy spainish politics at work , nice to see them helping someone other than Real for once anyway.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by aCidMinD81

Not just for naming, the sponsor will get the rights of the comercial zone around the stadium. Valencia won't have to pay nothing to use the stadium, just give the right to the sponsor to rent the comercial zone during 20/25/30 years.

Dont't forget that the spot where the stadium will be built is 80.000 m2 in the city center and property of the club.

Ah, well that's very much more than what you first wrote and does make far more sense!

[MoreOrLess]

To be fair he did say it was a concession but didnt say what it was for.

[Paulo2004]

They ok.

[JAB323]

That Jet's Estadio would/will be cool. I love the stadium not the jets.

[NavyBlue]

I don't know if this classifies as a "never built" but Waverly Park (now demolished) in Melbourne's SE was originally planned to seat 150,000 but only ever reached 72,000...





In my opinion this is the stadium Sydney should've built instead of the current Telstra Stadium...

[TeKnO_Lx]

very nice designs.. i just found weird to have 75 000. just semms to big. in which games it would get full?
valencia vs Barcelona?
i would preferer to have a full stadium with 55000 than 75000 and half empty

but with good prices and good conditions probably u will get about 50 000 or more average spetactors per game

[kingdomca]

The possibility of installing an athletics track should worry valencia fans. Unless it involves a giant ramp it cant work properly. Lower level retractable seating doesnt change the fact that the upper tiers would be miles away from the pitch permanently.

They could end up getting a much poorer venue compared to Mestalla and at considerable cost.

[XCRunner]

I'd go for the last one. It looks just as nice as the other ones, but costs half as much.

[stadiumfuture]

Look this:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...84723840gMFgJR

[aCidMinD81]

What does that pic have to do with Valencia's new stadium? It shows an old model of Camp Nou.