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Old July 22nd, 2008, 01:18 PM   #461
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I do believe that I could find my way around in Bejing better than Moscow. Not that other countries are obligated to use English, but it does seem that the Chinese cities are rather generous with English signage.
typical chinese pragmatism
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 06:50 PM   #462
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typical chinese pragmatism
Works for me.
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 07:53 PM   #463
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Just a short video of the line 10 from the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/7519631.stm
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 01:53 AM   #464
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The women with the red hair is the spanish senior correpondent of TVE (Spanish Television) in Beijing (before in TVE Hong Kong Center for all Asia), she calls Rosa María Calaf, is very famous in Spain.



She is a freestyle journalist, in spanish forum La Barra, she has a fan-club with a lot of videos since last year.

This is the video about the new subway lines (the photo)



For the other videos about this journalist, please visit the Calafódromo http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=452312

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Old July 23rd, 2008, 02:04 AM   #465
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Lol, we could recognise her anywhere just because of her hair. Indeed an excellent journalist, I love her mostly unbiased reports with her unique narrative style. She was also the first non Chinese journalist to reach the earthquake epicenter.

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Old July 23rd, 2008, 02:51 PM   #466
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Along with Line 10 and Olympic line (Line 8), Beijing Airport Express Rail opened on July 19 '08.

7.19-20, Beijing Airport Express Rail(28.1km) T2(inside)->T3->T2(outside)->Sanyuanqiao Station->Dongzhimen Station

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T2 station


















connection from T2 station to T2 terminal








7.20 T3 station






on the way to T2 station










arriving T2 station






leaving to Sanyuanqiao station








on the top of Siyuanqiao (4th Ring Road)





Sanyuanqiao Station




















Arriving Dongzhimen station
















(Thanks 虎虎 http://www.beijingupdates.com for the excellent pictures!)

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Old July 23rd, 2008, 03:04 PM   #467
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Very nice!
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 06:50 PM   #468
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TRZ doesn't watch FOX. The same bad news is in all news media whether left-wing or right-wing. Lead painted toys... poisonous hotel toothpaste... subway construction cave-ins... knock-off fly-ash in concrete for high-speed rail track-bed... yeah, this flooded subway is really the only thing that has ever gone wrong in China Give me a break.
I find this post highly hilarious. Lead paint isn't illegal in China, nor was it in the US before 1972 (although it probably should be). The toothpaste is a pretty bad screwup, but they will fix it. But the irony is that Mattel recalled (before I lost count) 60 million toys last year, two of which was due to lead paint. The rest were design flaws such as small magnets that could be swallowed. The Chinese actually built them to specification. But crap built to specs is still crap. No wonder Mattel quickly backtracked and apologized.

And cave in subway building? I'm sure construction accidents never happen anywhere else. Nope.

On a more grand scale, according to CNN, the US alone imported 220 million toys (with a B, quantity, not value) from China. Two million out of 220 million is quality western makers never achieved.

Then of course, there is the Salmonella tomatoes. E-Coli spinach killed how many people, 55? Contaminated Tylenol killed over a dozen. Ironically, J&J stock rose after the incident. Pesticide has been found in Coke products distributed in India. I think that's just a wee bit more dangerous than lead paint. You can write a book on the number of incidents happening in the developed world.

Culture of corruption? Brian Mulrooney anyone? He got the boot from Jean Chretien. Couple years later it's Stephen Harper of the Tories returning the favour. But if you close your eyes and ignore it all, it's all fine and dandy right?

And your rant on TTC metro, as someone who lived in Toronto, I found that highly hilarious too.

Unlike what you said, Toronto isn't in a sesmic zone, volcanic zone, not on the edge of the desert like Beijing, or has extremely high precipitation. The only condition that you mentioned that actually applied to Toronto was extreme cold, with "extreme" being questionable.

And I recall how the Toronto system handled the "extreme" condition. Ice froze the conductive line and rendered the system unserviceable for hours. Happened quite a few times already. It's not the only cause of downtime either.
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 07:06 PM   #469
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Rosa María Calaf is a great journalist, just lovely

I love that new subway stations, specially the one with porcelnain style on the columns, very cool and nice
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 08:01 PM   #470
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Having seen many hundreds of pictures of Shanghai and Bejing, I think I find Bejing more attractive. Perhaps this is because I see many more historical references in the more prominant buildings of Shanghai, Bejing seems unabashedly futuristic.

Just my particular taste in architecture.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 12:36 AM   #471
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Absolutely world class.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 10:59 AM   #472
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Airport express is beautiful, just the price isn't right...it's only good for solo travelers, for multiple people traveling, it's better to take a taxi, and for workers, driving themselves or using bus would be much cheaper. Especially since the price is 12.5x the rest of the system.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 04:07 PM   #473
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best subway system in China
even better than Hongkong
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Old July 24th, 2008, 08:10 PM   #474
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best subway system in China
even better than Hongkong
It's a subjective consideration, because it's newer and more modern than HK's MTR doesn't mean it beats MTR's efficiency.
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Old July 25th, 2008, 03:47 AM   #475
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true. BJ subway's hardware is good but there's still a lot of room to improve in terms of "Software".
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Old July 25th, 2008, 04:41 AM   #476
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Especially since the price is 12.5x the rest of the system.
this is true but if you convert it to USD, it's only $3.5, maybe one of the cheapest city-airport metro fare in the world.
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Old July 25th, 2008, 05:29 AM   #477
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Boston's is $1.70 (plus there are two choices, BRT or subway)
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Old July 25th, 2008, 06:12 AM   #478
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yes US public transportation fare is pretty cheap. those facilities have been built 50 yrs ago and become a truely public service now.

And don't foget logan aiport is almost located in the town and the blue line is hardly 6 miles long.
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Old July 25th, 2008, 06:50 AM   #479
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yeah i know, its cheap but not that great, even though logan is 5km away, it still takes 15 mins minimum.
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I'd say the Airport Express is excellent for what it is (though one complaint I've seen is that it doesn't run often enough - 15-minute intervals are a bit long). Sure, it's a bit pricey, but it is still more cost-effective than a taxi if you've got 3 or fewer people (since a cab ride from the airport to downtown generally costs around 100 RMB). And it's a heck of a lot faster than the airport buses, even if those are cheaper (16 RMB) and go to many more places around the city. So it's not for everyone - it would take me both a bus and subway ride to get to the express stop from my apartment, which would be a pain if I have a lot of luggage. But it's amazing if you're in a rush and want to go somewhere on the second or third lines from the airport (or vice versa). Heck, given how bad traffic on the Airport Express Highway can get at certain hours, it's probably the fastest method during rush hour.

And I agree that, while Boston is a model in ease of getting to the airport (go go Silver Line to South Station!), it's not a fair comparison geographically. A better example would be New York, where taking the subway to the AirTrain to JFK costs, if I recall correctly, $12, or 82 RMB. Looking at it that way, Beijing is significantly cheaper.
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