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Old May 9th, 2013, 07:16 PM   #1281
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It should also be said that the eastern part is not ready for 8 car trains. The platforms are long enough, but I think there are some other things that need to be done with them before such an operation can begin.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #1282
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In such cases, some of the trains service the busier part while some service whole line which means that busier parts will have better train frequency. Haven't seen trains of different lengths serving different parts of a line.

Anyways, is this technically one single line, that is, can direct trains run from Hongqiao to Pudong in future?
Yes it's technically one single line, a train can physically run from Hongqiao to Pudong if they choose to.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 09:52 PM   #1283
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A lot of cities with lines travelling well into the outskirts change trains because of different frequencies, shorter trainset length, etc. Yet they are not considered as different lines.
I was wondering about this. Which cities have a mandatory change of train at all times (day and night, weekday and weekend) on a line, yet the line is all considered one line?

In Chicago, for example, the purple line and red lines are considered different lines.

In NY, sometimes you do have to change trains to continue on the same line (e.g., Lefferts Boulevard Shuttle at night on the A train) but not during the daytime hours.
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Old May 10th, 2013, 06:16 AM   #1284
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The Shanghai 2 line still sounds better than 1/Batong and 5/Yizhuang lines in Beijing, where the planners have made it a point to make the transfer as cumbersome as possible, and both, particularly the Batong line, are crowded lines, making the transfer a rush for the stressed commuters.

4/Daxing is done well, and 9/Fangshan is also acceptable.
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Old May 10th, 2013, 06:45 AM   #1285
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That's right, the Batong/Line 1 transfer in Beijing is modeled on the transfer between the Red Line and Ashmont-Mattapan streetcar in Boston. Colored red on the map through-and-through, but transfer required at all times.
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Old May 10th, 2013, 08:50 AM   #1286
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The Shanghai 2 line still sounds better than 1/Batong and 5/Yizhuang lines in Beijing, where the planners have made it a point to make the transfer as cumbersome as possible, and both, particularly the Batong line, are crowded lines, making the transfer a rush for the stressed commuters.

4/Daxing is done well, and 9/Fangshan is also acceptable.
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Old May 10th, 2013, 11:34 AM   #1287
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I was wondering about this. Which cities have a mandatory change of train at all times (day and night, weekday and weekend) on a line, yet the line is all considered one line?

In Chicago, for example, the purple line and red lines are considered different lines.

In NY, sometimes you do have to change trains to continue on the same line (e.g., Lefferts Boulevard Shuttle at night on the A train) but not during the daytime hours.
In Madrid's metro there's a stop in lines 7, 9 and 10 where you have to change the train. Beyond those stations they use shorter trains with a lower frequency.

It makes sense for well developed metro systems. But I think this system uses B label in some cities (Line 1B, Line 2B, etc)
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Old May 10th, 2013, 09:57 PM   #1288
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Guangzhou Metro line 3 is another example that you have to change trains at Tiyu Xilu Station if you travel from the south to the north of the station or vice versa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_3,_Guangzhou_Metro
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Old May 11th, 2013, 12:49 AM   #1289
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Guangzhou Metro line 3 is another example that you have to change trains at Tiyu Xilu Station if you travel from the south to the north of the station or vice versa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_3,_Guangzhou_Metro
Wow, is that true? I always thought that there were through trains between Tianhe Coach Terminal and Panyu Sq. It is well known that Line 3 is based on the Philadelphia SEPTA Broad Street Line, but in Philly you have through trains on the Broad Ridge Spur onto the trunk line up to Fern Rock.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 06:09 AM   #1290
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It is well known that Line 3 is based on the Philadelphia SEPTA Broad Street Line, but in Philly you have through trains on the Broad Ridge Spur onto the trunk line up to Fern Rock.
What? Since when is line 3 based on the Broad Street Line of all lines? If it was it would have Express Local services, that would be nice.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 06:41 AM   #1291
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Wow, is that true? I always thought that there were through trains between Tianhe Coach Terminal and Panyu Sq. It is well known that Line 3 is based on the Philadelphia SEPTA Broad Street Line, but in Philly you have through trains on the Broad Ridge Spur onto the trunk line up to Fern Rock.
As a matter of fact, Guangzhou Line 3 has through service between Tianhe Coach Terminal and Panyu Square, and between Tiyu Xilu and Airport South. At Tiyu Xilu, the Line 3 platform is a double island platform with 3 tracks. The outer tracks are for Tianhe Coach Terminal and Panyu Square bound, while the middle track is for Airport South departures.
Technically the two through services can be regarded as 2 separate lines, and there are future plans to extend the Tianhe Coach Terminal branch to the southeast to become a separate Line 10.
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Old May 27th, 2013, 05:52 AM   #1292
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Beijing metro: 4 line/sections (62 km) will open in 2014
  • Line 6 phase II
  • Line 7
  • Line 14 east section
  • Line 15 west section

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Old May 27th, 2013, 11:22 AM   #1293
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Here is the actual map of Beijing metro with the times between the stations.

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Old June 6th, 2013, 10:40 PM   #1294
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Beijing Subway Line 10 averaging 1.658 million people per day since full loop operation. Peaking at 1,842,600 in May 10, 2013. Going from very crazy to ridiculously insane.
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That's more people than there are in all of Hamburg - that is certifiably insane.
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Old June 7th, 2013, 11:46 AM   #1296
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They definite la nave ti built one more ring line.
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Old June 7th, 2013, 01:14 PM   #1297
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That's more people than there are in all of Hamburg - that is certifiably insane.
Won't be long until Beijing begins to challenge the monster that is the Yamanote line - now that is a seriously crowded 3,725,247 per day. That's nearly the population of a small country every day on a line only 34.5km long.
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Well, actually such figures appear right because there are tools to count each line (like Yamanote) separately. Here in Moscow we have daily ridership for about 10 million passengers for the whole metro system, but I guess if we count each line separately, we'll finds quite a lot of lines with more than 1-2 million passengers each.
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Old June 7th, 2013, 02:13 PM   #1299
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...3,725,247 per day. That's nearly the population of a small country every day on a line only 34.5km long.
Yes, Lithuania and Estonia combined
I still remember Beijing with only two lines ... line 2 and the eastern branch of line 1. Crazy.
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Here in Moscow we have daily ridership for about 10 million passengers for the whole metro system, but I guess if we count each line separately, we'll finds quite a lot of lines with more than 1-2 million passengers each.
Moscow only has a daily ridership of 6.7 million based on the 2012 annual ridership of 2463.8 million people. It peaked at 9,279,083 on Nov 29, 2012.
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Linewise avg daily as of 2011

Line 1: 649,000
Line 2: 974,000
Line 3: 733,000
Line 4: 143,000
Line 5: 540,000
Line 6: 910,000
Line 7: 965,000
Line 8: 337,000
Line 9: 868,000
Line 10: 731,000
Line 11: 69,000 (2007)
Line L1: 51,000 (2007)

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