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Old June 22nd, 2013, 05:21 PM   #1341
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Tianjin and Beijing HAVE a rail connection. Have had for over a century.

But the problem is, it is the only train daily. No other train between Beijing and Tianjin North has more than 2 intermediate stops.
Yes but when I mean local service I mean something more like a regional rail or stopping train service. I know the hardware is there but there is no service.

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What is getting done to ensure fast, frequent and easily memorizable service to suburban stations like Weishanzhuang?
Like I said S series lines. They mostly use existing rail corridors and stations. Line S4 is planned to run from Beijing South to Huangcun with stops in between but they could easily extend it to include other stations on the Jingshan Line as subway Line 4 reaches beyond Huangcun Station.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 09:46 PM   #1342
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Two separate cities separated by dozens of km of farmland. The extremely convenient and fast high-speed rail is good enough for now.
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Old June 23rd, 2013, 05:29 PM   #1343
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Two separate cities separated by dozens of km of farmland.
Sanhe City alone is 480 000 people over just 643 square km. How well is Sanhe served by railways?
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Old June 24th, 2013, 05:02 AM   #1344
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That's under 1,000 ppl/km2, hardly urban. It's a rural area with a few largish towns.
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Old June 25th, 2013, 11:07 AM   #1345
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That's under 1,000 ppl/km2, hardly urban. It's a rural area with a few largish towns.
Sanhe city consists of 10 towns:
  1. Juyang
  2. Liqizhuang
  3. Yangzhuang
  4. Huangzhuang
  5. Xinji
  6. Duanjialing
  7. Huangshizhuang
  8. Gaolou
  9. Qixinzhuang
  10. Yanjiao
Which of these are "largish"?
Yanjiao alone is a big city of 250 000 people on mere 108 square km. And it is described as being 35 km from Tiananmen square.

Is there any railway between Yanjiao and Beijing?
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Old June 25th, 2013, 06:54 PM   #1346
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The Jingqin Line
However there is a plan to make a branch of the Beijing Subway Lines 6 and/or R1 to Yanjiao
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Old June 26th, 2013, 11:09 AM   #1347
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Brrr, it's so hard to understand the administrative division in China. "City consists of 10 towns" expression makes me sick.
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Old June 26th, 2013, 11:10 AM   #1348
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How large is the built up area of Beijing? North - South, East - West?
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Old June 26th, 2013, 02:21 PM   #1349
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How large is the built up area of Beijing? North - South, East - West?
How do you define "built up area"?

6 districts of Beijing having each a population density of at least 6860 per square km (Shijingshan district) cover a contiguous area of 1378 square km.

Other districts have population densities of up to 1361 per square km (Tongzhou district). But Tongzhou district possesses a border with Chaoyang district. So how much of the 870 square km of Tongzhou district is a built up area contiguous with Beijing?
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How large is the built up area of Beijing? North - South, East - West?
Maximum north-south length of Beijing's built up area is approx 63 km and same for east-west is approx 68 km.




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Old June 27th, 2013, 04:59 AM   #1351
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that's a great way to measure the real size of a city
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Old June 27th, 2013, 08:57 AM   #1352
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Thank you very much for that. In fact, I thought it was way larger. What about Shanghai? I wonder because I can't realize how large their metro systems should be to cover the unique built-up area.
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How do you define "built up area"?

6 districts of Beijing having each a population density of at least 6860 per square km (Shijingshan district) cover a contiguous area of 1378 square km.

Other districts have population densities of up to 1361 per square km (Tongzhou district). But Tongzhou district possesses a border with Chaoyang district. So how much of the 870 square km of Tongzhou district is a built up area contiguous with Beijing?
Sorry, I am not got at administrative division of Beijing and I do t know. I've just wanted to know how large a continuos built-up area of Beijing is.
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Thank you very much for that. In fact, I thought it was way larger. What about Shanghai? I wonder because I can't realize how large their metro systems should be to cover the unique built-up area.
Shanghai isn't much different either in size. Only difference is that Shanghai has more large towns and cities almost touching it while Beijing seems to be surrounded by smaller towns and countryside.



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Old June 28th, 2013, 01:47 PM   #1355
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Can you other cities in China? I would like to see Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Chengdu, Chongqing, Wuhan, Tianjin.
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It would be better to move this kind of analysis to the citytalk and urban section, though as I agree it is fascinating, but isn't directly related to transport provision.
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It would be better to move this kind of analysis to the citytalk and urban section, though as I agree it is fascinating, but isn't directly related to transport provision.
If so, then please, leave us a link here.
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A new topic on "urban area sizes" in The Citytalk and Urban Issues section would be fantastic. I'm sure there would be a lot of people interested in the topic.
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Can you other cities in China? I would like to see Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Chengdu, Chongqing, Wuhan, Tianjin.
I can tell you how it can be done. You would need to install Google Earth first. After installing, click on "Primary database" and open the dropdown in the panel at bottom left corner of the screen. Then open "Gallery",then "NASA" and then finally click on "Earth City lights". You Google earth will turn into a night sky view. Now you can visit the cities and with the help of "Ruler" on the toolbar at the top, you can measure distances on the map.
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Old June 29th, 2013, 09:14 PM   #1360
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Sorry for the off-topic but it doesn't work on my Mac. I click on Earth city lights and it sends me deep into the Pacific.
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