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Old July 19th, 2013, 08:42 PM   #1381
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Nope, that station is where suburban commuters from Changping are loaded onto line 13 for their journey into Beijing's urban core. it was approx 7:30am, typical morning rush hour in Beijing
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Old July 19th, 2013, 10:07 PM   #1382
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How long before line 8 gets extended to meet Changping line? That should decrease the pressure on this station.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 11:52 PM   #1383
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Nope, that station is where suburban commuters from Changping are loaded onto line 13 for their journey into Beijing's urban core. it was approx 7:30am, typical morning rush hour in Beijing
Don't the two lines have the same frequency? Cause here it looks like tons and tons of passengers are loaded off by one line, but the other line isn't picking them up quickly enough.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 12:12 AM   #1384
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Yes. So many people can't come from one single train.
Nice video btw.
Edit: And at that point, they should close off the platform.

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Old July 20th, 2013, 12:24 AM   #1385
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This is a two-and-a-half-year-old station. Obviously, someone got the numbers wrong.

And China wants to 'urbanized' 500 millions more people by 2020 ? Now that's .
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Old July 20th, 2013, 04:47 AM   #1386
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I saw in the video someone tried to alight from the train being pushed back into the train by the crowd
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Old July 20th, 2013, 06:58 AM   #1387
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yes that poor guy...
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Old July 20th, 2013, 07:12 AM   #1388
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Picture is just more proof that they should of went with 10 car a-trains.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 07:27 AM   #1389
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Not only that, headways can be also reduced.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 08:16 AM   #1390
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Line 13 has been crowded in rush hour for quite a few years. The new development of huge compounds in north Beijing created new traffic pattern since last decade. i.e. Tiantong Garden (天通苑) compound alone hosts 390,000 new residents since last 10 years. In the coming years Line 8/15 extension will help the situation. Overall Beijing still needs more lines together with technology and management improvement.

Despite the HSRs, new airport, expressways and metros the country is still suffering from infrastructure shortage.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 02:29 PM   #1391
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Another pic:
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Old July 20th, 2013, 07:12 PM   #1392
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Picture is just more proof that they should of went with 10 car a-trains.
Well considering majority of the line 13 is at or above the ground it will be quite easy to upgrade the platforms to to support 10 car B trains. This configuration is comparable to the train lengths and sizes of the Tokyo Metro. The only issue is that it would just move the bottleneck from Xierqi to Xizhimen. Both line 2 and 4 are already overcapacity as it is.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #1393
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I believe this to a large extent is a temporary problem. Line 13 is itself a suburban loop, an upgraded train line, with a couple urban stations at either end. Adding further suburban lines connecting to it and no other line, i.e. Changping and 15, is asking for trouble and aggravation. Hardly anyone from Changping or 15 would have stations on line 13 as their exit station, meaning two long transfers to and from the 13 line to the final line on the travel. By 2016 Changping will be relieved by the 8 line, and 15 by the 5, 8, and 14 lines. By 2020, according to one plan, Changping line will be extended and connect to (in order from suburb to centre) the 8, 13, 15, 10, 12, 2, and 4 lines, ending the 13 line bottleneck for good.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 12:49 PM   #1394
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I saw in the video someone tried to alight from the train being pushed back into the train by the crowd
Yup, totally disgusting. People being so rude in the public transport, shops, queues, etc is hard to understand. But a crowd sharing those manners is simply out of this world for me. I've never seen such behaviour even in the worst rush hour in my city. Maybe once every several months I meet some rude guy or girl (normally girl) trying to come in the subway before I can go out. I normally pull him/her while telling him/her to get out my way. But if I ever met a crowd of people doing that to me I think I'd start kicking their balls to dead till they move aside. Impolite people deserve no respect. If they want to live under the law of the jungle they should suffer the consequences.

Solutions? Well, maybe they should send some guards and fine such behaviours with superhigh fines. After a couple of years people would learn how to behave.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 01:25 PM   #1395
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This is crazy, where do those people on the escalator squeeze some space?
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Old July 21st, 2013, 06:15 PM   #1396
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Yup, totally disgusting. People being so rude in the public transport, shops, queues, etc is hard to understand. But a crowd sharing those manners is simply out of this world for me. I've never seen such behaviour even in the worst rush hour in my city. Maybe once every several months I meet some rude guy or girl (normally girl) trying to come in the subway before I can go out. I normally pull him/her while telling him/her to get out my way. But if I ever met a crowd of people doing that to me I think I'd start kicking their balls to dead till they move aside. Impolite people deserve no respect. If they want to live under the law of the jungle they should suffer the consequences.

Solutions? Well, maybe they should send some guards and fine such behaviours with superhigh fines. After a couple of years people would learn how to behave.
It's hard not being pushed in such a situation, actually people should feel lucky nobody was seriously injured day by day in such a crowd.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 08:41 PM   #1397
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Wow, this is crazy. Is it due to flawed planning (ie bottlenecks in the system) or that the breathtaking speed of subway expansion can't keep up with the even more breathtaking speed of urban development?
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Old July 21st, 2013, 09:54 PM   #1398
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This is crazy, where do those people on the escalator squeeze some space?
They should have stopped the escalator really. It's pretty dangerous and can cause severe injuries or deaths if some people fall down while the escalator keeps moving and pushing people onto the platform.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 10:30 PM   #1399
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It's hard not being pushed in such a situation, actually people should feel lucky nobody was seriously injured day by day in such a crowd.
It is possible to educate people to let people alight first before they aboard the train.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 02:39 AM   #1400
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It is possible to educate people to let people alight first before they aboard the train.
It might work for off peak hours. But how do you prevent people from pushing from each other when its already 830 am and you are the 100th person on the line?

Go for 10-car A-trains.. should be a long term solution for the next fifty years of passenger traffic.
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