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Old July 22nd, 2013, 02:53 AM   #1401
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By the way are there any chance people do get physical fight in the platform because of these kind of situation? From the looks of it, its easy to get tempers get flared up compounded with high summer temperatures.

Example, what if a passenger loses a shoe in a full pack queue. How to bend over?

http://www.mychinesestudy.com/blog/2...ost-shoes.html
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_15559628.htm

Funny, the chinadaily article features same station Xierqi. Maybe many people lost their shoes in this station.

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Old July 22nd, 2013, 06:15 AM   #1402
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It might work for off peak hours. But how do you prevent people from pushing from each other when its already 830 am and you are the 100th person on the line?

Go for 10-car A-trains.. should be a long term solution for the next fifty years of passenger traffic.
Leave home earlier - problem solved

Extending Changping Line to the south would be an easier solution than expanding every station of Line 13.

Beijing Subway is poorly planned BTW. There are quite a few unnecessary transfers and the choice of medium capacity trains is a disaster.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 12:24 PM   #1403
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By this map from Ditiezu line 13 will not be on the critical path of any other line by 2020, and the Changping line will indeed be extended into the centre, as do most other suburban lines. The exception is the Fangshan line and the Yizhuang line that will remain as now (the former transfer into line 9, the latter has a choice between 5 and 10 at the same transfer station). Thus, except for the convenience of some suburb-to-suburb travel, there is no need to use 13 unless it is either your entry or exit station.

An easier solution is to change the pricing system to the one used in Shanghai, this would likely have significant impact on the crowding throughout the system. Alternatively a congestion charge.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 01:25 PM   #1404
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Leave home earlier - problem solved

Extending Changping Line to the south would be an easier solution than expanding every station of Line 13.

Beijing Subway is poorly planned BTW. There are quite a few unnecessary transfers and the choice of medium capacity trains is a disaster.
Regarding the extension of Changping to the south, new planning documents have been surfaced last week. There are actually 2 sets - one from the planning department and the other from the development and reform committee of the municipal government.

Both plans include extending Line 9 to the north to meet Changping Line at Xierqi. The planning documents also use "Changping Line southern extension" as the name. It is unknown if Line 9 or Changping Line will be merged into one single line, but speculation from the Chinese metro fans circle saying that it is difficult to extend Changping Line underground south of Xierqi as it is very close to the national railway tracks.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 01:32 PM   #1405
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By this map from Ditiezu line 13 will not be on the critical path of any other line by 2020, and the Changping line will indeed be extended into the centre, as do most other suburban lines. The exception is the Fangshan line and the Yizhuang line that will remain as now (the former transfer into line 9, the latter has a choice between 5 and 10 at the same transfer station). Thus, except for the convenience of some suburb-to-suburb travel, there is no need to use 13 unless it is either your entry or exit station.

An easier solution is to change the pricing system to the one used in Shanghai, this would likely have significant impact on the crowding throughout the system. Alternatively a congestion charge.
There were rumors these week regarding the change of pricing system, but the government denied that.

In the long term, the northwestern part of Beijing along the Changping Line can be relieved by building the R3 northern section - latest planning shows that the line will start at Zhuxinzhuang. This will be a RER-like express service and run through the Finance Street area. R3 will ultimately connected to the New Airport Line to have through service in the north-south direction. The northern section is not part of the 2020 plan and the finishing date is unknown.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 01:44 PM   #1406
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From this year Shanghai will start to use the 3-door buses to replace the old 2-door ones.



--metrofans.sh.cn
Volvo is making some other buses with double wide doors. Something like that should be ideal for Chinese city routes.

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Old July 22nd, 2013, 04:56 PM   #1407
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By this map from Ditiezu line 13 will not be on the critical path of any other line by 2020, and the Changping line will indeed be extended into the centre, as do most other suburban lines. The exception is the Fangshan line and the Yizhuang line that will remain as now (the former transfer into line 9, the latter has a choice between 5 and 10 at the same transfer station).
Speaking of which Fangshan looks set to be the Tiantongyuan of 2020. They are building cheap (and not so cheap) housing like crazy down in that south-west corner of Beijing. However there are hardly any workplaces there (this is former farmland), which means that anyone living there would have to have long daily commutes. Furthermore the Fangshan line only connects to the 9 line at the Guogongzhuang station, and there are further plans to extend it with a Yanfang line. All this traffic will then have to transfer at Guogongzhuang, there is no other choice. Better hope there will be an extensive network of buses by then.

Yizhuang in the south-east corner would in theory have a similar situation but the attraction of Yizhuang is that it already has many workplaces and is planning for many more, the distances are shorter, and the alternatives more (they could opt for going in the opposite direction for R2, or north towards CBD instead of NW for Beijing centre).
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 07:43 PM   #1408
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I am going to post some pictures of recent Beijing trolley-buses. Courtesy of my Friend Zhou Jason.

















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Old July 22nd, 2013, 07:55 PM   #1409
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What does Beijing trolleybus network look like? And where should it be expanded?
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 07:57 PM   #1410
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What does Beijing trolleybus network look like? And where should it be expanded?
15 routes, 101~109, 111, 112, 114, 115, 118, and 124; more than 500 trolley coaches. Currently no expansion plan.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 12:29 AM   #1411
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I saw a lot of trolley buses in Beijing do quite some distance without any overhead wiring. Did those buses run on batteries, capacitors or diesel engines when off the wires?
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 10:11 AM   #1412
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I was wondering...seeing as Line 13 is largely elevated, would it be easy to lengthen the platforms?
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 02:40 PM   #1413
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I was wondering...seeing as Line 13 is largely elevated, would it be easy to lengthen the platforms?
And longer/more trains.

But 'they' already spent all the allocated money .
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 06:29 PM   #1414
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whaaat buses....ode of bund....thaaaank you...

question: what else chinese cities beyong shanghai and beijing have troleybuses?
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question: what else chinese cities beyong shanghai and beijing have troleybuses?
Dalian
Guangzhou
Hangzhou
Jinan
Luoyang
Qingdao
Taiyuan
Wuhan
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 07:37 PM   #1416
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whaaat buses....ode of bund....thaaaank you...

question: what else chinese cities beyong shanghai and beijing have troleybuses?

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Dalian
Guangzhou
Hangzhou
Jinan
Luoyang
Qingdao
Taiyuan
Wuhan
and a whole bunch of coal mines that operate trolleys as commuter services for their employee.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 07:39 PM   #1417
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I saw a lot of trolley buses in Beijing do quite some distance without any overhead wiring. Did those buses run on batteries, capacitors or diesel engines when off the wires?
All off wire operation is done with batteries, no diesel engine.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 10:52 PM   #1418
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Seattle trolley buses use diesel engines when they are in the downtown transit tunnel.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 03:20 PM   #1419
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It has already been lengthened once a few years ago, from 4 cars/train to 6. I guess the platforms could be long enough to lengthen to 8 cars, but I don't know for sure. Likewise it should be possible to increase the frequency, it has lower frequency than the other metro lines. It really is a suburban line (temporarily) taking on traffic it isn't suited for.
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Old July 27th, 2013, 06:38 AM   #1420
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Here's a chart showing the extreme design to cope with the rush hour passenger flow of Line 13 / line 2 interchanging.



I saw those handrails early this month in Beijing (in non rush hour) and was wondering why they are put there.
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