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Old December 15th, 2013, 06:32 PM   #1501
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But those people most likely have no choice regarding their travel timing, so the congestion will just move around depending on prices.
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Old December 15th, 2013, 11:57 PM   #1502
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This is good, allows for better system utilization. A subway that is well used all the time is much more cost effective than a system designed to handle the highest 4 hours of flow. Also they should start introducing flex time to spread people out even further.
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Old December 16th, 2013, 02:20 AM   #1503
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This is good, allows for better system utilization. A subway that is well used all the time is much more cost effective than a system designed to handle the highest 4 hours of flow. Also they should start introducing flex time to spread people out even further.
How could that work if most people use the subway to commute to work which starts and ends at more or less the same time for most of them?
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Old December 16th, 2013, 03:47 AM   #1504
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I think all metro systems that suffer from congestion, that is most, and that have electronic ticketing, also most by now, should introduce congestion fare. It need not be a major price difference, but enough to make a psychological difference. Congestion charging seems to work for driving, I see no reason it shouldn't for public transport as well.

There is a huge income distance in Beijing, from extremely poor to excessively rich. Bus tickets (0.40 RMB/0.05€ using a card, 1 RMB/0.12€ for single ticket) are probably cheapest in China, and even at this level I know of some who let the ticket price affect their travelling, and for many more the price difference between a bus ticket and the metro ticket (2 RMB) makes the difference. Even so, Beijingers probably spend less of their income on travel (unless they have a car) than most citizens across the world. Shanghai tops out at 10 RMB for a trip.
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Old December 16th, 2013, 04:00 AM   #1505
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How could that work if most people use the subway to commute to work which starts and ends at more or less the same time for most of them?
If sustained congestion charge might lead to more flexible work practices, that some companies allow for earlier/later work hours. I have heard of a few companies in Beijing that do that already, because of the congestion itself is sticking their employees in traffic. Whether there will be many enough of these companies to actually make a difference remains to be seen.

Rush hour traffic is mainly composed of commuters, but also of people who could travel at other times. In Beijing I would think that component is smaller than most places, as the rush hour traffic is so horrendous, but that remains to be seen.
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Old December 16th, 2013, 05:55 AM   #1506
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How could that work if most people use the subway to commute to work which starts and ends at more or less the same time for most of them?
That's what "flex time" is, staggering work hours to distribute peak time flows.
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Old December 21st, 2013, 05:31 PM   #1507
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12.21 Line 9 Military Museum Station opens

Line 9 will interchange with Line 1 at Military Museum Station























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Old December 21st, 2013, 07:17 PM   #1508
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Any news on Qilizhuang Station?
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 12:57 PM   #1509
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Travelling with child

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I am planning to visit Beijing in March. I will travel with my 4yo girl. What sort of ticket do we need to buy? We will be there for 2 weeks near the University.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 05:15 AM   #1510
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Any news on Qilizhuang Station?
I guess it will only open in 2014 with Line 14.

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I am planning to visit Beijing in March. I will travel with my 4yo girl. What sort of ticket do we need to buy? We will be there for 2 weeks near the University.
Beijing Subway has a uniform ticket price of RMB 2 (it may raise in 2014). Airport Line is RMB 25 per ride. Children below 1.2m are free of ticket.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 05:16 AM   #1511
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There will be 62 km new metro openings in 2014, making total length 527 km. Meanwhile Line 3, Line 12, Line 17 and new airport line will start construction in 2014.

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Old December 23rd, 2013, 05:37 AM   #1512
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 02:29 PM   #1513
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They want to at least avoid this,

1) Speed up construction of new lines.
2) Plan lines for longer, wider trainsets and even double decker trainsets. 10-12 train cars should be the norm for rush hour.
3) Plan denser grids, nowadays lines are too far from each other, especially in the city center.

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Old December 23rd, 2013, 05:38 PM   #1514
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Meanwhile Line 3, Line 12, Line 17 and new airport line will start construction in 2014.

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A new line to the existing airport or a new line to the new airport on the south side of town?
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 07:25 PM   #1515
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A new line to the existing airport or a new line to the new airport on the south side of town?
Line to new airport in the south. Called Second Beijing Capital Airport I guess?

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Old December 24th, 2013, 06:39 AM   #1516
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yes it goes to the U/C 2nd airport. This line will have 5 stations, 50+ km long, max speed 120 kmph.
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Old December 24th, 2013, 08:03 AM   #1517
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Line 8 north & south extension will open on December 28

The new opening is 9.6 km. Line 8 will extend north to connect with Changping Line and extend south to connect Line 6.

The new map has shown the extensions.



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Old December 24th, 2013, 02:28 PM   #1518
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This should at least relieve Xierqi/Line 13, and maybe a little bit Line 5, but the great benefit will be when Line 8 continues south to Dahongmen and beyond to relieve Line 10 and traffic in the south. It should be quite busy by then.
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Old December 24th, 2013, 07:46 PM   #1519
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yes it goes to the U/C 2nd airport. This line will have 5 stations, 50+ km long, max speed 120 kmph.
Where will it conect to the existing metro lines?
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Old December 25th, 2013, 02:58 AM   #1520
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Line 10 at Caoqiao and Mudanyuan. The map will be available when it's got final approval.
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