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Old September 10th, 2014, 05:17 PM   #1661
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Curious, what is Huangcun Railway Station on the south end of Line 4? I looked it up online and there's really no information on it. Does it serve CRH and what rail lines does it serve?
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Old September 11th, 2014, 12:06 AM   #1662
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Curious, what is Huangcun Railway Station on the south end of Line 4? I looked it up online and there's really no information on it. Does it serve CRH and what rail lines does it serve?
No CRH the Jinghu PDL just passes through it. but the slow speed Jingjiu railway stops at it.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 07:56 PM   #1663
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Beijing Issues Subway Price Adjustment Plan

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The price plan of the subway is to start from 2 yuan or 3 yuan and the average cost for every passenger will stand at 4.3 yuan to 4.4 yuan.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 05:48 AM   #1664
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Is "ticket price adjustment" a kinder way of saying "fare hike"? I would be interested in knowing if it's phrased as a misleading euphemism in Chinese as well.

The CRI link is difficult to comprehend, but the plan seems to be abandon flat fares regardless of distance traveled. Beijing is kind of in a minority of large subway systems (New York, Chicago, Moscow) with a flat fare across the system.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 07:17 AM   #1665
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Is "ticket price adjustment" a kinder way of saying "fare hike"? I would be interested in knowing if it's phrased as a misleading euphemism in Chinese as well.

The CRI link is difficult to comprehend, but the plan seems to be abandon flat fares regardless of distance traveled. Beijing is kind of in a minority of large subway systems (New York, Chicago, Moscow) with a flat fare across the system.
Yes they are getting rid of flat fare and proposing a distance based fare. Both distance based fare proposals will make even the shortest chargeable distance cost the same or more than the original flat fare. In a sense it's a fare hike.
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Old November 4th, 2014, 07:31 PM   #1666
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What will be the reaction of the public?
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Old November 5th, 2014, 06:19 PM   #1667
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I wonder why nowhere in China are tickets available for let's say one month. Make them expensive, that's ok, say, 400 RMB but this will avoid queuing in the mornings. For Beijing this is crucial.
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Old November 5th, 2014, 09:00 PM   #1668
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Are there any trams avalible
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Old November 5th, 2014, 10:34 PM   #1669
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I wonder why nowhere in China are tickets available for let's say one month. Make them expensive, that's ok, say, 400 RMB but this will avoid queuing in the mornings. For Beijing this is crucial.
People use smart cards. There is no need to queue for tickets every morning.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #1670
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From Rail Journal:

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Letter of intent signed for Beijing metro Line 16
Wednesday, November 26, 2014



THE Beijing municipal government, Beijing MTR Corporation, and the three shareholders of Beijing MTR signed a letter of intent during the Beijing Hong Kong Economic Cooperation Symposium on November 26 to initiate a concession agreement for Part B of the Beijing metro Line 16 public-private partnership project

The approximately 50km north-south Line 16 will run from Beianhe to Wanping Town and have 29 stations serving three major districts: L Haidian, Xicheng and Fengtai. It will interchange with the existing Beijing network at 13 stations.

Procurement of the Yuan 49.5bn ($US 8.06bn) project is divided into two parts with Beijing Infrastructure Investment Corporation responsible for Part A, which includes the line's civil construction and accounts for around 70% of the project's capital costs. Beijing MTR, a joint venture of MTR Corporation (49%) and Beijing Capital Group (49%), and Beijing Infrastructure Investment Corporation (2%), will be responsible for Part B, the electrical and mechanical systems as well as rolling stock, which is worth Yuan 15bn. MTR Corporation intends to contribute additional equity of Yuan 2.45bn to Beijing MTR, which will be responsible for operations and maintenance of the line for 30 years.

Construction work on the project began in March 2013 and the line will open in two phases. Phase 1 will open by the end of 2016, with full operations expected to commence in 2017

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Old November 27th, 2014, 05:32 AM   #1671
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I wonder why nowhere in China are tickets available for let's say one month. Make them expensive, that's ok, say, 400 RMB but this will avoid queuing in the mornings. For Beijing this is crucial.
It's good for travelers but I wonder if many local people will buy it for they all use smart cards for metro/buses.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 05:44 AM   #1672
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November 27
New bus/metro price scheme officially announced today

It's official now. Beijing government announced new bus/metro price. Effective from December 28 2014 (in RMB),

Bus:
<=10km, 2
>10km, +1 per 5km

Metro:
<=6km, 3
6~12km, 4
12~22km, 5
22~32km, 6
>32km, +1 per 20km

The new price scheme makes Beijing metro price similar to Shanghai's.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 11:52 AM   #1673
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Noooo, so I have to endure fare rises while I'm in Beijing!

Have you got a link to the news article, I'd like to forward it to people (Chinese is fine)?
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Old November 27th, 2014, 12:29 PM   #1674
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This means that, relatively speaking, bus prices go up more than metro.

Metro prices go up 50%-350% (assuming that trips longer than 52 km are rare), with most trips likely costing 3-4 yuan, a price increase of 50%-100%.

Bus prices jump up 100% to 2 yuan, furthermore the Yikatong rebate reportedly goes down from 60% to 50%, meaning a jump from 0.4 yuan to 1 yuan, a 150% price increase.

Bus fares also rise much faster with distance than metro (though that is offset by the Yikatong rebate). So we get this price table:

Distance in km: Metro / Bus / Bus w/Yikatong (in RMB)

0-6: 3 / 2 / 1
7-10: 4 / 2 / 1
11-12: 4 / 3 / 1.50
12-15: 5 / 3 / 1.50
16-20: 5 / 4 / 2
21-22: 5 / 5 / 2.50
23-25: 6 / 5 / 2.50
26-30: 6 / 6 / 3
31-32: 6 / 7 / 3.50
33-35: 7 / 7 / 3.50
36-40: 7 / 8 / 4
41-45: 7 / 9 / 4.50
46-50: 7 / 10 / 5
51-52: 7 / 11 / 5.50
53-55: 8 / 11 / 5.50
56-60: 8 / 12 / 6
61-65: 8 / 13 / 6.50
66-70: 8 / 14 / 7
71-72: 8 / 15 / 7.50
73-75: 9 / 15 / 7.50
76-80: 9 / 16 / 8
81-85: 9 / 17 / 8.50
86-90: 9 / 18 / 9
91-92: 9 / 19 / 9.50
93-95: 10 / 19 / 9.50
96-100: 10 /20 / 10
101-105: 10 / 21 / 10.50
106-110: 10 / 22 / 11
111-112: 10 / 23 / 11.50
113-115: 11 /23 / 11.50
116-120: 11 / 24 / 12

(Round up to the nearest km, so 10.1 km is 11 km in the table above)

In other words bus becomes more expensive than metro by 30.1 km without Yikatong and by 90.1 km with Yikatong. Actually buses are more expensive than that, as you pay the same price (for same distance) if you change metro line, while you have to have to pay a new ticket for each bus.

Actually with Yikatong it should be possible to calculate the actual travel distance rather than pay-per-bus, but it won't be easy and I assume it won't be done.


In short: The Yikatong rebate is so substantial busses will normally be cheaper (unless you need 2+ buses to get where you want), but instead of, as assumed, the price hike shifting off traffic from metro to buses, the opposite might actually happen.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 01:05 PM   #1675
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What is the difference between Bus and Bus W. And what is Yikatong?
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Old November 27th, 2014, 01:44 PM   #1676
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Yikatong is the contactless cash card for public transport. It is possible to buy single tickets, but most use the Yikatong which is a lot more convenient. It isn't cheaper for metro travel but gives 60% off (will be 50%) on bus travel. Thus, while traveling on a bus quickly will be more expensive without using the Yikatong card, the Yikatong rebate makes bus travel cheap.
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I should perhaps mention that the upper parts of the table isn't realistic commutes. While the maximum distance from one corner of Beijing to another would be something like 200 km, nobody takes that kind of trip. Beijing is about 30 km across if we use 5th ring as the diametre, double that for the 6th ring. I guess that the typical/median commute is 10-15 km, with the average significantly longer (some have a very long commute). Commute buses into Hebei suburbs seem to have a similar price structure, but I think intercity travel (e.g. to Tianjin about 100 km away) use different pricing.

By comparison I believe taxi costs 2.3 RMB/km after the initial 3 km (assuming not stuck in traffic), or 11.5 RMB for 5 km.
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200 km across? Are you sure??
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Old November 27th, 2014, 05:02 PM   #1679
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Just checked, from the extreme north-east end of Miyun to the extreme south-west end of Fangshan is 206 km. Of course this is of theoretical/trivia interest only, there are no buses connecting these two points. I don't know which Beijing bus has the longest route, but I wouldn't think any bus going longer than 50 km.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 05:07 PM   #1680
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Here's an English article from Xinhuanet.com

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BEIJING, Nov. 27 (Xinhua) -- Beijing will start to raise its fares on public transport on Dec. 28, doubling the current prices on average, but including some discount schemes.

According to the pricing adjustment plan, the minimum price for a subway ride will be 3 yuan, which covers a ride of 6 km, compared with the current flat-fare of 2 yuan with unlimited transfers. The scheme excludes the capital airport link, now charged at 25 yuan.

The subway fare will cost 4 yuan if the ride is between 6 and 12 km, 5 yuan for 12 to 22 km and 6 yuan for 22 to 32 km. If the subway ride is longer than 32 km, one yuan is charged for every extra 20 km.

For bus passengers, a ride of 10 km will be 2 yuan and 1 yuan for every further 5 km. Smart card users will enjoy a 50 percent discount and student card users 75 percent discount.

Bus transport in Beijing is currently 1 yuan or most lines with a smart cards price of only 0.4 yuan. Some longer bus lines charge passengers according to the length of ride.

For subway commuters using a smart card, the first 100 yuan each month will be charged at the full price; the next 50 yuan is discounted by 20 percent and from 150 yuan - 400 yuan by 50 percent. Spending beyond 400 yuan per month will not be eligible for discounts as this has been deemed excessive for normal commuting purposes.

After the adjustments, the average price of subway transport will be around 4.3 yuan and that of buses 1.3 yuan, covering about 50 percent and 38 percent of their real costs respectively, said an official of the Beijing municipal development and reform commission on Thursday.

To divert subway passenger flows in rush hours, a preferential policy for outside rush hours will be piloted next year, said the official.

The hikes were finalized after a public hearing on the program last month in Beijing.

The number of passengers taking the subway hit 3.2 billion last year in Beijing, an increase of 350 percent from 2007. Subsidies jumped from 13.5 billion yuan in 2010 to 20 billion yuan in 2013.
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