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Old October 10th, 2005, 09:12 PM   #61
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Look at the third one. What is that?
Some of those renderings are HORRIBLE!
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Old October 10th, 2005, 09:15 PM   #62
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WE SERIOUSLY NEED A UPDATE!
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Old October 10th, 2005, 10:07 PM   #63
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Old October 11th, 2005, 01:33 AM   #64
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spicytimothy, you think the private Japanese developer paid off Fox architects to make such a design? I'm sure the educated Japanese developers know at least some of what happened in WWII, or do you think they still want to preach Japanese superiority in Asia? I somehow can't imagine that...what do you think?
I would put it as "paid off"... because from what I learned here they funded the whole construction project... telling what the architect they wanted as clients in nothing unusual.

Secondly, as much as we don't want to believe, over 95% of Japanese who were born after the war, has no idea what their country did. I've watched so many different shows where they interview young people, and I've read countless studies in Japan, and they confirm that and overwhelming majority of Japanese have never heard of Rape of Nanjing, and none of them knows about the brutality of the Japanese troops. More interestingly, very few soldiers have admitted that they did anything inhumane.

(Case in point, 2 soldiers were documented by a Japanese newspaper during WWII for competing who kills more Chinese. The newspaper had a day-to-day count of the number of Chinese heads they decapitated... Earlier this year the 2 families sued the newspaper and claim that they created the whole story decades ago out of thin air... obviously they lost becuase the newspaper company produced many proofs, including photographs and reporter journals... This is a perfect example of the extreme ignorance and misinformation the Japanese youth is subjected to.)

They know they went to war, and they know a lotta of them died. They know they were bombed twice by nuclear weapons, but that's all they know. To them they were doing Asia a favor and they were more victims than aggressors...

P.S. Of course, this is a generalization of the Japanese public. No doubt there are many others who know exactly what happened and are in no denial of it. What is alarming is the trend towards indifference, ignorance, and negligence, esp on the part of the gov't.
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Old October 11th, 2005, 01:43 AM   #65
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How is it a military fair tactics to starve prisoners, take their bodyparts as souvenirs, dont let them surrender, throw em out of airplanes and then reporting "they commited suicide". Thats not tactics. That built on hate more or less. Just as america was disliked by many japanese, mainly japanese students which had heard how bad asians where threated in America. Japans was also more or less hated by a lot of americans, it was a lot of antijapanese propaganda to for example in american newspapers. In a vote during the WW2 a majority of the voters thought america should bomb Japan to the ground.'
Once again, Aking, what is prominent in this comparison is that one thing is done against soldiers who went into war knowing that they might die, against the other which is done on innocent civilians who had no defense. I'm not saying what was quoted isn't terrible. What the Americans did there IS EXTREMELY HORRIFIC. But what I was saying is that it's just illogical to compare what the Japanese widely did the hundreds of thousands of civilians to what, in this case, Americans did to a couple hundred, at most thousand, of Japanese soldiers...

It's not a case of dislike, because when you are in a war, it's a given that you hate the opposite side. What you need to distinguish, however, is that the hatred of Japanese on the side of the Americans or Chinese is created because what the Japanese started. Afterall they did made the first move to attack Pearl Harbor. Even without propaganda I HIGHLY DOUBT that the Americans wouldn't hate the Japanese for sneak attacking them.

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Sad that NF refused japans proposal that all countries and people should be treated equally (Brittain was strongly against it)(by the time, Japan also had unfair trading policies forced on them). Which contributed for Japan leaving NF, and later making it able for the military to take more and more important positions in Japan.
No idea what NF is...??
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Old October 11th, 2005, 01:49 AM   #66
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O for those who're still wondering, the poster I mentioned earlier is on the first page. It's written in Japanese Kanji, and on the lower right corner you can see it says Mori Corp. with the address and website :-)

And for those who are wondering what's Mori is one of the biggest real estate company in Japan. They're the one who redevelopment Roppongi and built the Roppongi Hills complex that included the 50+ storey Mori Tower.
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Old October 11th, 2005, 01:52 AM   #67
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Some of those renderings are HORRIBLE!

They are not official renderings, they are home made diagrams. If you can do better, then do so. Not trying to be mean though, just defending the diagrams.

Anyway, the third pic is a side view. It bulges like that on the side view, and is rarely shown from this angle in most official renderings.
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Old October 11th, 2005, 10:19 AM   #68
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any update? can someone post some pics? thanks!
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Old October 11th, 2005, 04:06 PM   #69
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"Even without propaganda I HIGHLY DOUBT that the Americans wouldn't hate the Japanese for sneak attacking them. "

Actually they sent a war daclaration, but it wasn't translated in time. And after that USA had cut Japans importing, treated them unfair and the expansive military took power in Japan. Sadly the war was unavoidable, more or less by that time.

"No idea what NF is...??"

Sorry NF is in Swedish, in english it was the union of nations. The equivallence to UN after war.
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Old October 11th, 2005, 06:09 PM   #70
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Okay to put this thread back on topic, I didn't bother reading the posts after that rendering with the "square" hole. I just want to know is that what they're ACTUALLY going to build or just some stupid rendering someone did to show something.

Personally, I would prefer the hole to be circular but i don't really care if they cover up the opening under the bridge.
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Old October 11th, 2005, 06:38 PM   #71
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Here is xitek forum, there is update from october 9

http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=221857

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Old October 11th, 2005, 11:44 PM   #72
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Most pics do not even come up on that site!
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Old October 12th, 2005, 11:59 AM   #73
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So they have definately decided to design a square instead of a whole now? I see the design in the diagram was change. I think the hole is more beautiful, but after a while I think I could get used to the square instead. Anyway it gives me an opportunity to make a new drawing of the building.
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Old October 12th, 2005, 03:14 PM   #74
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So is there any OFFICIAL info or news regarding the design change? I'm a little confused .
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Old October 12th, 2005, 05:27 PM   #75
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So is there any OFFICIAL info or news regarding the design change? I'm a little confused .
Haven't seen any, but roadside posters now feature the square hole.
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Old October 12th, 2005, 05:44 PM   #76
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Emporis still use the circle design.
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Old October 12th, 2005, 06:10 PM   #77
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Does anybody have any actual construction pictures? Watching the progress is more exciting than observing debate about a hole.
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Old October 12th, 2005, 07:08 PM   #78
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Haven't seen any, but roadside posters now feature the square hole.
That's depressing news. Can you take a photo?
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Old October 12th, 2005, 07:19 PM   #79
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It is still a nice design. I think if it was the square hole from the start people still would have thought it was a great building. It's just that the circle design was so good, it was one of the best sky scrapers being built. It feels like we've been robbed of something beautiful . Oh well.
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Old October 13th, 2005, 01:00 AM   #80
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To be honest with you, I kinda prefer the square hole over the partially covered circle one. I'm sure with time, many people will come to like it/ accept it.

Anyways, regardless, this highly-anticipated building will still be one of the world's greatest? What other building can claim to have a square hole at the top?
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