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Old October 26th, 2007, 01:32 PM   #281
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Yeah it's chip seal. I seriously don't know why they did that (other than cost of course). The expressway has been terribly managed and the points that they have not yet upgraded are downright dangerous. Traffic travelling at 100kph with no lights on the road and a minimal wire barrier between the lanes.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 01:54 PM   #282
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I agree. The highway between Auckland and Hamilton needs alot of work. A number of 100kph stretches should be reduced to 80kph for safety
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Old October 26th, 2007, 01:59 PM   #283
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There are shocking bottlenecks where the short sections of completed expressway change back to old 1X1 highway on long weekends or even just ordinary weekends.
And yes I hate chip seal, too-it is noisy and rough as guts.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 03:02 PM   #284
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Now do you believe me, that A4/A18 in Poland is a crappy motorway?
this looks similar to this one in Germany (A4, exit 86):

The difference is, that polish A4/A18 was reconstructed. It's a new road!
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Old October 26th, 2007, 03:39 PM   #285
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A18 is still under reconstruction, only one direction is ready
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Old October 26th, 2007, 04:03 PM   #286
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^ Maybe, but it's definitely a new pavement (concrete), so I'm really shocked to see that Hitler-like exit! But on the A4 there are normal exits, right?
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Old October 26th, 2007, 04:38 PM   #287
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Good old Hitler, father of the freeway.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 05:09 PM   #288
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But on the A4 there are normal exits, right?
Let me check.

A4 heading for the east (Wroclaw):
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Old October 26th, 2007, 05:10 PM   #289
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These pics were taken this spring. It still looks a bit substandard to me.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 06:22 PM   #290
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Ok, let's say it one more time.
This part of a motorway is after reconstruction.

A4 from this place to Wrocław has no emergency lanes and not even enough place to build them. All other exits have exitramps. This exit, without any exitramps is an exception, and will be closed next year, when they open new part of A4 with junction. But even if it is a temporary exit, it should fulfil requirements of safety.

A18 under reconstruction starts 10 km from this place and will have normal emergency lanes.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 07:06 PM   #291
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but other direction of A4 is normal motorway, right? and at which section is this motorway without SOS lanes?
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Old October 26th, 2007, 07:20 PM   #292
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but other direction of A4 is normal motorway, right? and at which section is this motorway without SOS lanes?
I hope you have map of Poland. Take a look. This exit is named Krzyżowa, near Bolesławiec. In autumn 2008 they will open new A4 section from Zgorzelec (german border) to Krzyżowa, normal 2x2+el motorway. Part from Krzyżowa to Wrocław already exists - this is this crappy part with no emergency lanes, reconstructed in 2002-2006. Part from Wrocław to Katowice is another normal motorway, 2x2+el.
And A18 leads from Krzyżowa to german border near Cottbus. Direction form Cottbus to Wrocław is newly constructed (2 lanes + el) and from Wrocław to Cottbus will be reconstructed (2+el) in close future.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 07:22 PM   #293
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I'm still pleasantly surprised they put a concrete barrier in the middle.
that´s quite awful
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Old October 26th, 2007, 07:33 PM   #294
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These pics were taken this spring. It still looks a bit substandard to me.
Why substandard? In Germany there are also many higways without security lane and I suppose in Holland as well.
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Why substandard? In Germany there are also many higways without security lane and I suppose in Holland as well.
But this is a new motorway! We both know how should new motorway look. I'm sure you know how does A72 Hof-Chemnitz look (reconstructed in last 10 years). Or A4 Chemnitz-Dresden. Did You see in Germany any new motorway without emergency lanes?

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Many people can only hear fairytale stories about the German Autobahn network, but Germany has often narrow or no emergency lanes, making a considerable portion of the German Autobahns substandard. Some interchanges (cloverleafs) have only a 30km/h leaf, making a lot of interchanges outdated.

Dutch motorways have 3 - 4m wide emergency lanes everywhere. Sometimes we have rushhour lanes (Seitenstreifen befahren), but it can be closed if an accident or breakdown occurs. However, i'm not too happy about these rushhour lanes, i consider them a temporarily solution.
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Ok, let's say it one more time.
This part of a motorway is after reconstruction.

A4 from this place to Wrocław has no emergency lanes and not even enough place to build them. All other exits have exitramps. This exit, without any exitramps is an exception, and will be closed next year, when they open new part of A4 with junction. But even if it is a temporary exit, it should fulfil requirements of safety.

A18 under reconstruction starts 10 km from this place and will have normal emergency lanes.
dziekuje.

and is it in both directions without SOS lanes, or only in one direction?
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and is it in both directions without SOS lanes, or only in one direction?
Both.

But even if it was in one direction, it would be meaningless for those driving in other.

This motorway is a real crap.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 08:25 PM   #299
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I think it's an "in between" situation. They didn't have funding or time for procedures for widening and upgrading, but they didn't want the A4 in the run to Euro 2012 to be in such a bad condition.

The pavement is good now, but let's hope they'll expand it later to real motorway standards.
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They had money to build normal 2+ motorway.
The proof is, that after reopening they were happy, that they saved 90 million euro!!
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