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Old October 26th, 2007, 08:40 PM   #301
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The problem is that Poland has to apply European laws for transportation, since they joined EU. That means European procedures in land acquiring, environmental impact assessments, noise pollution and air quality have to be done. That takes up a lot of time, easily several years, if there is a lot of opposition to the motorway from local farmers or residents. Maybe Poland didn't want to wait that long, and only repaved the road, and did minor improvements.

However, this is just a theory of mine.
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Old October 26th, 2007, 08:56 PM   #302
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Chris, that's not just a theory. You are absolutley right. But now, when the main target is Euro 2012, we simplified our laws. And we started to reconstruct this road before we joined EU. Would this all procedures take much more time? I dont think so - look at the other parts of A4 and A18.
So we wasted big chance to have great 3+ motoway. I saw You will visit Poland next year, and then You will see, that this 3+ motorway is necessary.
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Old October 27th, 2007, 01:56 PM   #303
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At present the Waikato Expressway towards Hamilton from Auckland is pretty rough. It's got quite a shoddy road surface on it, though it doesn't have exits like that Polish motorway!
I'll take some pictures next time I'm heading down that way.
We are waiting.
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Old October 27th, 2007, 02:32 PM   #304
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We are waiting.
I'm a Uni student in exam period! Give me time, the Waikato expressway leads to a city that not many people really want to go to (Hamilton)...
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Old October 27th, 2007, 02:42 PM   #305
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I'm a Uni student in exam period!
Good luck then!!

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Give me time...
Ok, but don't forget us

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Old November 11th, 2007, 03:50 PM   #306
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khm, there is some 200 m (not km fortunately!) of croatian A3 at bridge over river Sava at zagreb bypass in direction east that is really horrible!
ok, i ahve found one photo of this, i took it a year ago (north part of bridge was under reconstruction, so there was 2 way traffic on the crappy south one and this is described part). i traveled there this week and i wanted to take photos, but i was late: now there is 2 way traffic at north part and crappy part is going to history
so, this photo will stay the only evidence of it (tnx god)

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Old November 11th, 2007, 04:43 PM   #307
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I remember an other dutch example. The "Moerdijkbrug" in the A16 is in really bad shape at this moment...
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Old November 11th, 2007, 04:54 PM   #308
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Hey you, raising on western motorways, if you drove old A6 near Szczecin, you wouldn't even notice this croatian A3 crap... (or better comment would be )
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Hey you, raising on western motorways, if you drove old A6 near Szczecin, you wouldn't even notice this croatian A3 crap... (or better comment would be )
well, it is only 200 m section fortunately. the situation is (was) crappy because it's a bridge, so i guess it a bit more complicated to repair it than non-bridge section. i haven't caught crucial parts - there were 2-3 holes in pavement, i allways drove slalom between them because they were calling my axles to damage it
actually, you can see one hole, it's at the right edge of pavement near shadow of portal. (btw, portal is also extremely old fashioned and ugly, it has allready been changed this year)
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I see there were 3 lanes without emergency - will the bridge be widen or only pavement will be changed?
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no, there are 2 lanes and emergency. those yellow lines are temporary because of road works (men at work ), look at those white (they are very bright) - those are real.

only pavement is being repaired. there are plans for widening Zagreb bypass in next few years to 3+3, but i think the bridge will stay without emergency lanes in that case because it would be quite complicated to widen it (it is more than 1 km long and pretty high). you must have passed accross that bridge if you entered to Croatia from Hungary
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Old November 11th, 2007, 08:28 PM   #312
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Now i know, what deceived me. It is a reverse carriageway, and this white broken line divided 2 traffic lanes. And left yellow line is painted on white continous line, which divided traffic lane and emergency lane.
I entered Croatia from Slovenia near Maribor, not from Hungary, so i don't know that bridge. But i think i drove on something a little bit crappy just like this one.

EDIT: It was sufficient to look at road sign.
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ÿes, you understand now this bridge is over river Sava at the place where A4 divides from A3 (it's still A3). there is another bridge over river Sava at Zgb bypass, at west side at A2. it's also long little more than 1 km, also crappy (not as this one) and also under repair (you remember that one). those bridges were built in app. 1980 and haven't been maintained well. so now they are repairing them. next year it will be completely done (both)
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Old November 12th, 2007, 11:23 PM   #314
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Here is it:
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Old November 13th, 2007, 11:48 AM   #315
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Maybe the Strijp in Eindhoven? (never been there, but I heard it was very bad pavement there) Though I doubt it has still a motorway qualification...
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Yes the pavement is absolute crap, it looks exactly like the pavement in this picture.


It's like your driving on concrete blocks! This part is made in the 60's, but I don't think it's renovated once!
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Old November 13th, 2007, 12:02 PM   #316
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Yesterday, I drove the A27 in Belgium between St. Vith and Malmedy. I felt like driving somewhere in Russia 10 years ago (although I have never been there, just like "prejudicewise") because of the crappy loud darkbrown-colored pavement
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Old November 13th, 2007, 12:16 PM   #317
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Yeah the A27 or E42 is no good south of Verviers. The pavement is actually only 15 years old. It shouldn't be so noisy after 15 years of light traffic. It's obviously a total lack of maintenance.
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Old November 13th, 2007, 01:57 PM   #318
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Yes the pavement is absolute crap, it looks exactly like the pavement in this picture.


It's like your driving on concrete blocks! This part is made in the 60's, but I don't think it's renovated once!
The M11 between London and Stansted Airport also has this type of crappy concrete block paving, or at least it did when I last drove on it a couple of years ago.

Every second you hear thum, thum, thum, thum, very annoying.
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Old November 13th, 2007, 11:58 PM   #319
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I have been to Krakow on March, and unfortunately Polish highways are crappy. They are not wide, full of holes, bad signs. But i also saw some improvement, and I think they will get great highways. (Roads in Krakow were actually excellent)

Verso are there any crappy highways in our Slovenia? I usually drive from Maribor to Koper (210 km) and there is not a single hole. Only near Slovenska Bistrica pavement is a bit "uneven".

But unfortunately we dont have "waterresistant" highways like Struma for example
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Old November 14th, 2007, 12:03 AM   #320
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^ Depends on which half of the Ljubljana ring you use. The transit one is ok, the other one's got some not very nice holes, but they started renovating it. Of course, the Struma quality is their goal, but that's just a wishful thinking.
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