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Old March 5th, 2006, 05:19 AM   #141
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Old March 17th, 2006, 07:50 AM   #142
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Old March 17th, 2006, 08:18 AM   #143
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Old March 17th, 2006, 08:32 AM   #144
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Hey-- that's not the Comcast Center!



This is the Comcast Center!!

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Old March 18th, 2006, 12:56 AM   #145
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LOL, nice, go Terps!
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Old March 18th, 2006, 01:02 AM   #146
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Old March 18th, 2006, 04:27 AM   #147
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Old March 18th, 2006, 05:18 AM   #148
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It's amazing how liberty one was a top 20 worlds tallest and now top 50. The Comcast Center will be a great addition to the Philadephia Skyline.. But it will make the skyline look as if it needs taller buildings. Several 1k footers or 7 hundred footers..
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Old March 19th, 2006, 09:46 AM   #149
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Thanks for the update,

It will take the Philadephia Skyline into this century!
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Old March 19th, 2006, 04:46 PM   #150
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Keep in mind that it takes the shorter towers to compliment the taller ones.

Some examples are the Cira Centre, which extends the Philly skyline across the river.

Some current and future mid-rise developments in Center City.

Comcast Center looks good because it is complimented by the many mid-rise towers and has the fortune of being surrounded by some nearby landmark towers such as Liberty Place, Mellon, City Hall, etc.
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Old March 19th, 2006, 04:59 PM   #151
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I think it will make Phillys skyline look similar to Los Angeles, esp from a distance and at night. the Crown of the Comcast Center will be lit up very brightly at the top, just like the Library Tower. The spacing between the buildings and their realative heights will resemble LA's skyline.

I would say we would have a better skyline then Los Angeles when all of the top projects in the city going up right now are all done. LA would have a bit more height but we would have much better looking buildings overall.
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Old March 19th, 2006, 06:01 PM   #152
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This is my favorite project in the U.S.A. ...it's perfect for Philly.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 03:09 AM   #153
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Interestingly, I do not subscribe to Comcast, thank you.

They want your money, then they raise your bill because their greed feeds their ego and this tower just inflates both their ego and your future Comcast bill.

Enjoy$
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Old March 20th, 2006, 03:49 AM   #154
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Coming along nicely.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 04:09 AM   #155
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Old March 20th, 2006, 06:07 AM   #156
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lol, thanks! Only 966 'till 4000.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 06:14 AM   #157
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Of urinals, plumbers and a backseat to N.Y.
By Inga Saffron
19 March 2006
The Philadelphia Inquirer

The 58-story Comcast Center rising over 17th Street is already destined to be Philadelphia's tallest and most environmentally friendly skyscraper. But its developer, Liberty Property Trust, dreams of claiming an even more prestigious title: America's tallest green building.

Unfortunately, the city's quest for national glory may go down the drain of a waterless urinal.

The local plumbers union is blocking Liberty's plan to install no-flush, water-saving urinals in the men's rooms at the Comcast Center. Without them, the finished skyscraper would guzzle an extra 1.6 million gallons of water a year, and Liberty could have trouble obtaining a coveted seal of approval from the U.S. Green Building Council.

If the 975-foot Comcast Center fails to win the council's certification, the title of tallest green building will fall instead to New York's 962-foot Bank of America Tower, going up across from Manhattan's Bryant Park - complete with waterless urinals.

Once again, New York wins. And all because it has better toilets.

Edward Keenan, the head of Local 690, which represents plumbers in Philadelphia and its suburbs, did not return phone calls for this story. But those involved in the urinal debate say the plumbers object to the waterless devices because they require less labor to install than the traditional kind.

The city's building code has no provision for waterless urinals, an innovation that has come into use in the last five years. And because the plumbers are so opposed to the technology, Philadelphia officials are reluctant to introduce its use in the city.

"We're still looking into this. I want to make sure they're safe," said Robert D. Solvibile Sr., who runs Philadelphia's Department of Licenses and Inspections, the agency that enforces the city's building code. "We're afraid that if they're not properly maintained, dangerous gases could come into the room and harm people."

"Dangerous?" laughed Douglas Durst, the developer of the Bank of America Tower, when told of Solvibile's concerns. "We've had them in our offices for four years. If they're dangerous, we haven't noticed."

Indeed, waterless urinals are found in dozens of buildings around the country, including at Walt Disney World and in an elementary school in Pittsburgh. Not only are they considered safe, they also are more sanitary and less odoriferous than the standard kind, said Gwyn Jones, a spokeswoman for the Green Building Council in Washington, a volunteer group that establishes environmental building standards. Urine passes through a chemical cartridge in the porcelain basin, which processes the solids and allows the liquids to flow by gravity into the building's plumbing system. Traditional urinals pour 1.6 gallons of water down the drain with every flush.

Even the state government is a fervent convert to the waterless bowls. The city's reluctance to approve the technology "really flies in the face of what we're preaching," complained Harry Rummel, a real estate manager for Pennsylvania's Department of Environmental Protection. He has approved the urinals in nearly a dozen state buildings, including the agency's new Norristown offices.

"You're not putting plumbers out of work," Rummel insisted. "The urinals still need a drain. You're just using less water. It's a no-brainer."

Liberty Property Trust, which has built more than 700 office buildings, including Liberty Place in Philadelphia, has become one of the nation's leading proponents of green technology. It recently won a gold rating - the second highest - from the Green Building Council for an eight-story office project in Allentown. That building has used waterless urinals without incident since it opened in 2003. Like the Comcast Center, it was designed by Robert A.M. Stern Architects.

"We're pretty convinced as a company that waterless urinals are a good technology," said John Gattuso, the Liberty vice president responsible for building the Comcast Center.

Gattuso said he was still hoping that Solvibile and the plumbers union would reverse their stand on the urinals, but time is running out. Although Liberty has just begun to erect the Comcast Center's concrete elevator-and-stair core, it needs to put in its order for urinals soon, so they are delivered in time for the tower's scheduled opening in September 2007.

"It's a terrible situation. Here's a private developer trying to do the right thing, and they're hitting a roadblock," said Robert Diemer, who chairs the board of the Delaware Valley Green Building Council. "This is an important project for Philadelphia. The city needs to take a leadership role."

Philadelphia's powerful trade unions, which contribute heavily to political campaigns, have long called the shots on various building issues. During the years that the Zoning Board of Adjustment was run by Tom Kelly, head of the Sheetmetal Workers Union, he insisted that even modest construction projects have central air-conditioning rather than less-costly window units. No city code requires a central-air system, which is connected by expensive metal ducts.

Ironically, the Philadelphia Water Department has been looking for ways to reduce the water flowing into the city's overburdened sewer system. After a heavy rain, the city must often release untreated sewage into the Delaware River. "Waterless urinals would certainly be in line with our sustainable goals," said Glenn Abrams, the department's urban watersheds planner.

Yet Liberty was denied permission to install them in a four-story office building that was just completed at the Navy Yard. Even without the urinals, Gattuso said, he expects the Navy Yard building to receive the Green Building Council's gold rating.

It's not as easy for a skyscraper to be green, however. Sheathed in vast expanses of glass - usually trucked in from far away - office towers consume tremendous amounts of energy for heating and cooling.

To compensate for their inherent wastefulness, developers must employ a variety of energy-saving technologies to win a rating from the Green Building Council. In recent years, the council's ratings have become a mark of status, helping developers to attract tenants in a competitive office market.

For a developer, winning the highest rating - platinum - is the equivalent of an author being picked for Oprah's Book Club. Companies gravitate toward green buildings because their energy costs generally run about 45 percent below normal. Employers also believe that green buildings have cleaner air, which helps reduce the number of employee sick days.

Even if Solvibile and the plumbers reject Liberty's request to install waterless urinals, the Comcast Center will still be a very efficient building. The tower will get points from the Green Building Council for its heat-deflecting solar windows, a large, rain-absorbing planted "green" roof, and a highly efficient heating and cooling system. No doubt, the council will also give Liberty credit for reusing an urban site and connecting its building to the Suburban Station transit hub.

But the question is, will those points be enough to win Comcast an unqualified green rating? The 51-story Bank of America Tower that Durst is building is fully loaded with virtually every approved green technology, including a cogeneration plant that will produce 80 percent of its energy and a system to recycle rainwater for flushing traditional toilets. The building is only 945 feet without its spire, but it may be substantially greener than the 975-foot-tall Comcast Center.

Like Gattuso, Durst had to mount an extensive education campaign. But once he explained that no-flush urinals would reduce the building's water consumption by millions of gallons a year, New York City building code officials eagerly embraced the technology, he said. New York suffers frequent droughts and is desperate to reduce its water use.

"We're going for a platinum rating," Durst said.

Gattuso said he wasn't sure what rating the Comcast Center would get.

So far, no news has leaked out.

Contact architecture critic Inga Saffron at 215-854-2213 or [email protected].
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Old March 20th, 2006, 06:32 AM   #158
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That would be interesting if Philadelphia's chance at winning the tallest green building title was lost to a toilet.

Wow, Phillly's opportunity flushed down the drain.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 09:43 AM   #159
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Great update, will it be the tallest one?
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 02:19 AM   #160
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Yes, by 30 feet.
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