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Old June 11th, 2007, 03:27 PM   #221
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Old June 11th, 2007, 09:30 PM   #222
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Old June 12th, 2007, 06:01 AM   #223
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Council anger at missing bridge from Kai Tak plan
8 June 2007
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A failure to include maps of a proposed bridge in the Kai Tak runway redevelopment caused uproar at the Kwun Tong District Council Thursday.

The maps were left out of documents presented to councillors when government engineers explained the plan for the redevelopment, which would begin in 2009.

Councillor Tang Chi-ho said a failure to include the bridge in plans would be tantamount to ``chopping the project into pieces''and presenting it in bits.

Councillor Poon Chun-yuen said that without the bridge there would be no direct connection between the runway park and inland.

Civil Engineering and Development Department chief engineer Yung Kin- man reassured the upset councillors, however, that his department is looking into building the bridge to connect a cruise ship terminal to Kwun Tong.

``There is no conspiracy to take it away. It has always been our plan to have the bridge,'' Yung said.

Plans being presented to councillors, Yung said, covered only advance infrastructure that is to be gazetted next month and, since the bridge is not a part of those works, it was not marked on the maps given to the councillors.

The government hopes to redevelop the old Kai Tak runway, with the first phase of the works to focus on expanding road networks and the sewage system, to be followed by building the runway park and the first berth of the cruise ship terminal.

But most councillors took the department to task for bringing the issue to them only this month, when it plans to gazette it next month with the blessing of the district council.

Yung apologized for not clarifying the matter from the start of the briefing.

He said that such a big project would usually be built in phases according to needs, so the first berth and the runway park would be next in line once the advance infrastructure was built.

When pressed for reassurances over the bridge, Yung said the Leisure and Cultural Services Department has already reserved space for the landing of the bridge.

Regarding a proposed heliport, he said the Town Planning Board is still considering it and has yet to do the environmental assessment.

Infrastructural works are expected to start at the beginning of 2009 and finish in 2011.

The first berth of the much hyped cruise ship terminal would be operational in 2012.

A second berth may be built and in operation after 2015, depending on market needs, the councillors were told.

The advanced infrastructure includes a 1.7-kilometer road from the cruise terminal along the runway leading straight into Kwun Tong.

Two intersections in Kowloon Bay, Wang Chiu Road and Sheung Yee Road, as well as Cheung Yip Street and Hoi Bun Road would be widened as, according to traffic analysis, these measures could ease congestion in the district as well as cater for an expected increase in traffic coming from the cruise terminal.

Sewage pumping stations and pipes would be built to channel sewage arising in the early stage of the Kai Tak development, to the nearby Kwun Tong Sewage Treatment Plant.

Department engineers said the two intersections were often congested and that the new traffic flow to and from the ship terminal would make things worse.

They hope the road widening could solve the two problems in one go.

Also, two existing mooring buoys near the end of the runway would be moved further down Kwun Tong offshore due to dredging work for the terminal. The outline zoning plan of the whole Kai Tak project was gazetted in November and is currently under the Town Planning Board's consideration.

Even though the whole uproar came from misunderstandings, Chan Chung- bun, chairman of the Kwun Tong District Council, said the bridge is very important to their commercial area and that he will meet with the Town Planning Board.

`` If the terminal couldn't connect with Kwun Tong I'm afraid Kwun Tong may become marginalized.''
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Old June 12th, 2007, 07:02 AM   #224
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how man planes have actually crashed at kai tak airport over its existance?
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Old June 12th, 2007, 08:00 AM   #225
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Any timetable for a finalized plan?
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Old June 12th, 2007, 08:16 AM   #226
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It's not as bad as you think, according to Wikipedia (questionable source, but I find it generally accurate) lists 12 incidents since 1950, of which:

11 actually occurred within Hong Kong's vicinity, of which
8 involved civilian airlines, of which
6 involved civilian passenger liners.

9 of them involved fatalities.

The last fatal accident involving a passenger, civilian aircraft occurred in 1988 (1967).

The worst accident occurred in 1965, a US Military Hercules crashed, killing 59 soldiers.
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Old June 13th, 2007, 05:21 AM   #227
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Ironically, Chek Lap Kok saw a much more fiery crash soon after its opening when a Taiwanese jet crash landed during a typhoon. A lot of the 'recent' accidents at Kai Tak were runway overshoots and not an explosion on land.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 12:18 PM   #228
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Yes, as spectacular as the landings were, Kai Tak is actually very, very safe. Except for the Taiwanese China Airlines, who have a notoriously bad record
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Old June 24th, 2007, 04:51 AM   #229
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Old June 28th, 2007, 06:59 PM   #230
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Cruisers harbour plans for mainland routes
23 June 2007
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The government and the Tourism Board are exploring opportunities to develop cruise itineraries involving mainland destinations in Hainan , Guangdong and Fujian , said Secretary for Economic Development and Labour Stephen Ip Shu-kwan.

New routes would bolster the city's cruise business ahead of the opening of the first of two new cruise ship berths at the former Kai Tak airport site in 2012.

Star Cruises' SuperStar Aquarius sailed into Hong Kong for the first time yesterday. It is the line's third ship, and the biggest, to be based in the city, which is already the home port of the Star Pisces and the Wasa Queen.

Star Cruises president David Chua Ming Huat said the new liner could accommodate almost as many passengers as the other two vessels put together, and so will effectively double the line's capacity. SuperStar Aquarius has a capacity of 1,520; Star Pisces can accommodate 1,287 and Wasa Queen 379.

He said the Hong Kong-based ships would help the Malaysian company develop the China market, which had very strong growth potential. Last night SuperStar Aquarius set off on its maiden cruise from Hong Kong, an overnight trip in the South China Sea. It will also operate two-night cruises to Xiamen .

The cheapest one-night package on SuperStar Aquarius costs HK$619.

"We want to do our existing routes well first. Then we will consider other routes," Mr Chua said.

The company's executive director, William Ng Ko Seng, hopes SuperStar Aquarius can attract more mainland tourists. They account for one in 10 of the 1,200 to 1,500 passengers leaving Hong Kong each day on Star cruises.

Mr Ng said the company supported the government's plans for a new cruise terminal, which he expects will attract more liners to Hong Kong.

Mr Ip said: "Our plan is to invite tenders [for building the new berths] upon completion of the town planning procedures in the fourth quarter of this year."

Tourism Commissioner Au King-chi said the new terminal should be flexible enough to accommodate big liners and smaller, more luxurious ships.
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Old July 26th, 2007, 08:25 AM   #231
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Let's hope that proposed stadium on the Kai Tak Airport site has a 60-80,000+ capacity. That stadium will replace Hong Kong Stadium, right? If so, what other kinds of sports facilities will be built?
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Let's hope that proposed stadium on the Kai Tak Airport site has a 60-80,000+ capacity. That stadium will replace Hong Kong Stadium, right? If so, what other kinds of sports facilities will be built?
I don't think Hong Kong Stadium will close. The two will complement each other.

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Hong Kong Stadium is criminally underused as it is - why do we need another stadium which is far larger than an underused one?
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Hong Kong Stadium is criminally underused as it is - why do we need another stadium which is far larger than an underused one?
The whole idea rose out of the Asian Games bid which failed and the Games were won by Doha. The renewed interest in sports facilities and subsequent successful bid for the 2009 East Asian Games is prompting renewed focus on the Kai Tak stadium plan.

Actually, Hong Kong Stadium can host a lot more events but that's not the case due to noise issues and nearby resident complaints.
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Actually, Hong Kong Stadium can host a lot more events but that's not the case due to noise issues and nearby resident complaints.
Can't win either way can they? I really do despair about the whining Hong Kong public sometimes.
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Can't win either way can they? I really do despair about the whining Hong Kong public sometimes.
Majority of the HKer would love to have more events at the stadium. But those people live up the hill around HK Stadium has the $$$; and still $$$ means voice sometimes. They fight for their right for a quite atmosphere.

40,000 seats are quite enough. Beside 7-rugby, the stadium doesn't get filled up usually. But the thing is, HK Stadium is located not in an ideal location for any large event holds ten of thousands people. When there is an event at the Stadium, it causes a major traffic problem in Causeway Bay with many road closure for the pedestrian traffic. Before the event, Eastern Hospital Rd is limited for one-way service with limited direct taxi and bus service; after the event, Eastern Hospital Rd is completely shut down for pedestrian. It's 15 minutes walk from the closest bus stop and 20 minutes walk from the closest MTR station. It takes hours of road closure for a few hours of event.
The stadium is definitely has enough capacity, but it causes a lot more other problems because of its location.
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Hence, even if the Kai Tak stadium plan pushes forward, Hong Kong Stadium will not likely be torn down.

Ironically, the rich people living around the racecourse don't find the rowdy gamblers noisy at all.
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Hence, even if the Kai Tak stadium plan pushes forward, Hong Kong Stadium will not likely be torn down.

Ironically, the rich people living around the racecourse don't find the rowdy gamblers noisy at all.
I don't think the stadium will be torn down either. It's still use-able; just have to plan the schedule out when to use which one.

I guess the racecourse doesn't make as much noise by people as having a concert with hundred of loud speakers at the stadium. I mean, the stand is on west side of the racecourse and the stand itself block out noise traveling west; and there is quite a distance to reach any building south and east of the racecourse.
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I don't think the stadium will be torn down either. It's still use-able; just have to plan the schedule out when to use which one.

I guess the racecourse doesn't make as much noise by people as having a concert with hundred of loud speakers at the stadium. I mean, the stand is on west side of the racecourse and the stand itself block out noise traveling west; and there is quite a distance to reach any building south and east of the racecourse.
I'm thinking more about the folks in Leighton Hill. There are so many more residentials on the east (open) side than the west (blocked off by the stands).
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