Hurricane Wilma destroys what Katrina left behind

[Roark]

Originally Posted by rider_of_rohan

Sadly everything with Bush has a string attached

If you say so. I guess I was wrong. You seem to have years of experience and a wonderful perspective on life. Perhaps I made a mistake. You're probably right, EVERYTHING with Bush has a string attached. And you are probably right that "George Bush will just be remembered as one of the worst presidents in the last century."
That was one of your original points wasn't it? Yes it was. Brilliantly defended and exemplified in your following posts.
I liked your point that Bush isn't a humanitarian because he required "brand medicines".
Great logic. Am I supposed to believe that brand medicines are bad?
If they are, then how about the ones that my cousin Lenny makes in his basement? Are they good? What a bad guy Bush must be to make sure that medicines are thouroughly tested and meet first world guidlines. That bad bad Bush guy should just give away money without any guildlines or stipulations or else how can he be consided a hymanitarian..

I guess I feel for you that Im making you sad, really, but dont waste your time.

That's a good one...you don't have the power to make me sad or happy. It is funny that you think you might be able to do that though! Another good one!

See I think its sad that you cant see past the big R to find any fault in Bush, but that is not a suprise to me.

Great logic again. When have I ever posted, stated, or believed that there is no fault in George W Bush? I haven't ever, ever, ever. So why would you just post that???
Of course he has faults, like any human being. I don't agree with every policy or decision. What do you mean "can't see past the big R"????
You are either not paying attention, blinded, stoned, young, mis-using you imagination, or a combination of these.

But I will just use the same line as republicans use and change only one word..he enherited the problems from Ford and Nixon (see how I cleverly changed it from Clinton?)

I still don't get why you have to interject the Republican/Democrat thing again...but if you must.
I'm not sure of the extent that Carter inherited the Iranian hostage crises or not, but what is for sure is that he didn't lead them home.
And you're right, I am floored at how "cleverly" you just did that, whew! Amazing.
How did you approve of George W Bush's handling of his first International crises? Do you remember? Hint: It was a hostage crises too...

Don't be a hater Rider...give credit where credit is due...I'm not knocking anyone that has the balls to take on leadership rolls and take action to make things happen. That is one of the things that Americans are about.

I apologize for assuming that you were a 16 year old and had no clue as to Jimmy Carter's Presidency. Really, all I had to go on was the ideas that you were writing, and I guess I jumped to the wrong conclusion.

[Roark]

Originally Posted by Rx727sfl2002

what has president bush contributed as his legacy? NOTHING

This being a skyscraper forum, I'd think that you might have noticed that Mortgage have been at 40 yr lows. 8% during the last admin. and down to 5.5% in his admin. and there is incredible growth in just about every US state.
You might not have noticed that minority home ownership is at the highest level than it has EVER been.
You probably were hanging out with Rider and didn't notice that there are more minorities in the Cabinet than at ANY time in the history of the United States of America.
The US GDP exceeds $10 Trillion, productivity is at an all time high, women and minorities can vote in the US, Afghanistan, and Iraq for the first time in the history of the Universe...
And...
Oh forget it...maybe you are right. He hasn't written a book in the last 24 years. And it's true, he stumbled over few words in a speech that he gave when discussing the unprecedented progress in the middle east.
Not much of legacy there. W takes some tremendous political risks. He isn't going to please all the people all the time. I'd say, he is not going to please ANY of the people all the time. But he sure as hell is making an impact. To say that he has done NOTHING just isn't true, accurate, or well thought out.
Disagree if you will, but man, why is it necessary to demonize people that you disagree with?
Rider, you take Warren Harding and Jimmy Carter, I'll take W, and let's have a battle of the Presidential accomplishments!

[BornInTheGrove]

Originally Posted by Roark

This being a skyscraper forum, I'd think that you might have noticed that Mortgage have been at 40 yr lows. 8% during the last admin. and down to 5.5% in his admin. and there is incredible growth in just about every US state.
You might not have noticed that minority home ownership is at the highest level than it has EVER been.
You probably were hanging out with Rider and didn't notice that there are more minorities in the Cabinet than at ANY time in the history of the United States of America.
The US GDP exceeds $10 Trillion, productivity is at an all time high, women and minorities can vote in the US, Afghanistan, and Iraq for the first time in the history of the Universe...
And...
Oh forget it...maybe you are right. He hasn't written a book in the last 24 years. And it's true, he stumbled over few words in a speech that he gave when discussing the unprecedented progress in the middle east.
Not much of legacy there. W takes some tremendous political risks. He isn't going to please all the people all the time. I'd say, he is not going to please ANY of the people all the time. But he sure as hell is making an impact. To say that he has done NOTHING just isn't true, accurate, or well thought out.
Disagree if you will, but man, why is it necessary to demonize people that you disagree with?
Rider, you take Warren Harding and Jimmy Carter, I'll take W, and let's have a battle of the Presidential accomplishments!

I came to this site to talk about skyscrapers. The website is called SkyscraperCity.com. i came here to avoid seeing conversations about politics. I have my opinions too, and when i see u people talking about politics, i wanna throw in my 2 cents... but i don't, because thats not what i am in here for.

I wanna talk about freakin Skyscrapers!

now dammit!!!!.............. sorry...

imma go watch a movie now. i need to get out more.

[DGM]

I was the one that said that George Bush will be remembered as one of the worst presidents in the last century. I didn't try to defend it because I'm trying to study for a midterm tommorow. Ill try really quickly to defend it.

For one, George Bush's fight against terrorism is failed and dishonest. The reason for the Iraq war has changed from WMDs to seeding democracy to fighting them abroad so that we dont have to fight them here. The last of which is the most horrible thing I've ever heard. While it is good for Americans, it is horrible for Iraqis. It stirs up resentment towards America, which is what fuels terrorism.

Secondly, George Bush's administration is corrupt and inept. Three republican campaign advisors have plead guilty to jamming the phone lines of the Manchester Firefighters Union and the Democratic Party during the last election. At one time house majority leader, Tom Delay has been indicted for criminally conspiring with two political associates to inject illegal corporate contributions into 2002 state elections. Chief of Staff to Dick Cheney, "Scooter" Libby has been indicted during the investigation of the unmasking CIA operative Valerie Plame. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist has been under investigation for insider trading. How many high ranking republicans have to go to jail before you start to lose trust in them? And you call me naive?

Lastly, I do not like the way that George Bush has dealt with the issue of sustainability. Scientists and health officials, hell even musicians, have been drumming up support for global efforts to switch to renewable resources? Maybe it is just because I'm a "liberal dumbass" or maybe it is because I attended a marine science magnet and took years of classes focused on sustainability, either way I feel that we are harming the world day by day. Our oceans are overfished, our skies are polluted, our icecaps are melting... What has to happen before someone steps in and says "Enough is enough, we need to start making drastic changes in the way we use resources" without thinking of the immediate but temporary backlash. It will take a man with courage and strong moral conviction.

Anyways that was longer than I thought it would be. I have a lot more to say but I have to get back to studying. We've gotten way off topic and I apologise for it. Anyways, go skyscrapers, screw hurricanes... etc.

[miamicanes]

imma go watch a movie now. i need to get out more.

You can't, thanks to our nazi puto-pendejo county mayor Carlos Alvarez's beloved curfew. God, I hate that bastard. Well, OK... I hate Barbara Carey-Schuler more for killing Central Parkway... but Alvarez is a close #2 by a razor-thin margin. This, more than anything, shows why the county mayor's power needs to be weakened instead of being given the dictator-like powers he craves.

[Dale]

Ah, the 'We've gotten off topic but ...' approach.

Almost as effective as the 'I agree this thread ought to be closed...and I just wanted to add...' approach.

[rider_of_rohan]

Oh Dale stop being a hater lol

[rider_of_rohan]

Originally Posted by Roark

This being a skyscraper forum, I'd think that you might have noticed that Mortgage have been at 40 yr lows. 8% during the last admin. and down to 5.5% in his admin. and there is incredible growth in just about every US state.
You might not have noticed that minority home ownership is at the highest level than it has EVER been.
You probably were hanging out with Rider and didn't notice that there are more minorities in the Cabinet than at ANY time in the history of the United States of America.
The US GDP exceeds $10 Trillion, productivity is at an all time high, women and minorities can vote in the US, Afghanistan, and Iraq for the first time in the history of the Universe...
And...
Oh forget it...maybe you are right. He hasn't written a book in the last 24 years. And it's true, he stumbled over few words in a speech that he gave when discussing the unprecedented progress in the middle east.
Not much of legacy there. W takes some tremendous political risks. He isn't going to please all the people all the time. I'd say, he is not going to please ANY of the people all the time. But he sure as hell is making an impact. To say that he has done NOTHING just isn't true, accurate, or well thought out.
Disagree if you will, but man, why is it necessary to demonize people that you disagree with?
Rider, you take Warren Harding and Jimmy Carter, I'll take W, and let's have a battle of the Presidential accomplishments!

Ah yes this is a great time to be in Iraq and Afganistan..well ok no its not. So they can vote and die standing in line at the hands of terrorists or Americans. I personally have no desire to die by either of them. Iraq is a disaster and its going backwards. Iraq was the most progressive society in the middle east for women till we got there, now its heading towards a fundamentalist muslim society where women have few rights. Good job Bush. Afganistan hasnt really changed much. Its still run by warlords like before we got there, in fact a third is still controlled by the Taliban, and where is the rascal Osama?
Oh and Roark I dont know if you have ever noticed that generic drugs cost a lot less than branded drugs. See lets do a little math 101 ok? If drug 1 costs $10 and the branded drug number 2 costs $100 a person can buy a lot more of drug 1 with that $100, right? Have I lost you? So if you start out with $15 billion you can buy ten times the amount of drugs and help a lot more people for a longer amount of time...you do get this, right? But ol Bush had to pay back the big drug companies (he has a bad habbit of helping corporations over people). Tisk tisk bushy is a tool.
As far as housing goes, thank you Mr Clinton for leaving us something bush didnt mess up (unlike the budget, Iraq, and pretty much anything he has touched).
As far as the hostage issue goes that was a long time in the coming. I mean of course you know the shah was a monster, a Saddam if you will. He deserved to be overthrown and had he not escaped there would not have been any hostages taken. The US had backed this madman for many many years, republicans and democrats. The only reason they took the hostages was because the US let the shah come here to get medical treatment, a bad idea. As for their release Carter did negotiate that and word on the street is that it would have been earlier but someones dad (who shall remain nameless) helped to sidetrack that. Oh well when you come from a long line of people who think money is more important than humanity that is what you get. Roark feel free to call me a hater, you will anyway but you sound a bit like one yourself to me.
Stumbled over a few words (not to mention all the lies he shoves into those speeches) HAHAHA oh God that is funny. Your hero thinks misunderestimates is a word, that its hard to keep food on your family..shall I go on? I wont. Im waiting for Bush to put out a book, it should be interesting.
Anyway I will take Mr Carter any day over Bush. A nobel prize winner over a...I have no idea what he is but I will take Carter. Where did Harding come from?

[DGM]

The word "misunderestimates" probably has Orwell rolling in his grave.

[Dale]

Originally Posted by DGM

The word "misunderestimates" probably has Orwell rolling in his grave.

Although I'm given to understand that Orwell was a rightwinger.

[BornInTheGrove]

Damn hood rats at the theaters... Saw II was all sold out... i'll wait for next weekend... when Jarhead comes out

[Roark]

Originally Posted by rider_of_rohan

Oh and Roark I dont know if you have ever noticed that generic drugs cost a lot less than branded drugs.

I have noticed that the price of generic drugs are less...are you sure the cost is less? Let me give you an example to explain my point. My cousin Lenny makes a no brand pill in his basement for a dime. To buy one pill of the branded version the price would be $10. So the price of Lenny's generic is a dime and the other one's price is 100 times more. The branded pill has been researched and tested exhaustively and has very minimal side effects and manufactured to a very high level of consistency and purity. Lenny's pill is garaunteed to kill everyone that takes the pill because Lenny is a bona fide nitwit! For one bottle of Lenny's pills (100 count in each bottle), the price is $10. The COST is 100 dead people. Of course, this is an exaggeration so that you might get the point.

See lets do a little math 101 ok? If drug 1 costs $10 and the branded drug number 2 costs $100 a person can buy a lot more of drug 1 with that $100, right? Have I lost you?

No...that is great work!! You are very well versed with the entry level mathematics. Impressive!

So if you start out with $15 billion you can buy ten times the amount of drugs and help a lot more people for a longer amount of time...you do get this, right?

Oohhhhh noooo! You were doing so well there with the numbers and then you just pulled something out of mid air. Man! I was really rooting for you. Where did you make the assumption that you can "help a lot more people for a longer amount of time"? (see Lenny's pill above).
Where did that come from??? If it's cheap then it's good??? How is that necessarily true?
Look...back up a bit...this has gotten silly.
I say giving $15 Billion to aid Africa is good.
You think it is good if Jimmy Carter or Bob Gehldoff do it but not if the humanitarian deed is performed by someone you hate.
Let's leave it at that.
Hitler loved dogs and brushed his teeth everyday. Just because you might hate the guy, you should still probably brush your teeth.

Your hero thinks misunderestimates is a word, that its hard to keep food on your family..shall I go on? I wont.

My hero??? Rider, that isn't true. Why do you just pull things out of the air and post them as fact. How do you reason that my hero is George W Bush??? You really aren't reasoning are you....Hatter will tell you, my hero is Revuelta!!

Your contention was that GW would go down in history as one of the worst Presidents in the last century. I threw out Harding to see if you were thinking about any other President except for the Presidents of the last 25 years. Guess you weren't really thinking that much. Maybe when you posted that, you were just pulling something out of the air.

[Rx727sfl2002]

Roark

i tend to disagree that while there are women voting in afghanistan we are loosing civil liberties here every day....

immigration and police could not work hand in hand in the past it was against the law becuase they would round up people for mass deportations and it would deter from real crime fighting.... today under the patriot act they are a disorganized mess

your house car can now be searched without a search warrant
your phone can be bugged without probable cause
your medical file can be attained and viewed by anyone who works for the us gov including postal workers(the same postal workers who steal checks and atm cards out of the mail)

so what good is it that women somewhere else can vote when the voting here is rigged... did you know that in dade county alone there where over 100k votes not counted and discarded. 80k in broward that where found in a warehouse. places like ohio where there where 400 registered voters ended up having 15k votes...remarkably you dont know the evil that has been brewing in that white house...

as for housing interest rates the rate has been the lowest becuase there is no money and one has to encourage lower income people to become homeowners so taxes will be collected and the govt budget can balance itself.
instead every tom dick and harry is investing in housing. what are tycoons doing? pulling out and selling there realestate portfolios its a dangerous game
we are going to experience one of the highest housing gluts in us history...

florida i believe will be one of the most least affected becuase we are a self sustaining system...overall bush has not done anything to improve the economy everything that has happened has been trends...

gas itself is at 3dollars by the time bush leaves office we will be seeing prices closer to 4 dollars and there will be no stopping it.... this country will not go into a depression to many people(countries) count on us. but bad days are ahead of us....

overall study us economy and as an average stocks do 14% better with democrats in office as opposed to 5-6% with a republican in office i would debate more but its senseless to teach a cripple how to walk and blind man to see... i think i will have better luck trying to get a whore to give up the trade on biscayne before i change your views....

overall i will be here years from now and although i hate saying it (i told you so) will be the catch phrase of the first quarter of this century.....

now on that note while there still exist a democratic govt in the usa i motion that this forum be closed anyone second that motion or object?

[The Mad Hatter!!]

what the heavens happened to this thread?

[Dale]

Originally Posted by Rx727sfl2002

Roark

i tend to disagree that while there are women voting in afghanistan we are loosing civil liberties here every day....

immigration and police could not work hand in hand in the past it was against the law becuase they would round up people for mass deportations and it would deter from real crime fighting.... today under the patriot act they are a disorganized mess

your house car can now be searched without a search warrant
your phone can be bugged without probable cause
your medical file can be attained and viewed by anyone who works for the us gov including postal workers(the same postal workers who steal checks and atm cards out of the mail)

so what good is it that women somewhere else can vote when the voting here is rigged... did you know that in dade county alone there where over 100k votes not counted and discarded. 80k in broward that where found in a warehouse. places like ohio where there where 400 registered voters ended up having 15k votes...remarkably you dont know the evil that has been brewing in that white house...

as for housing interest rates the rate has been the lowest becuase there is no money and one has to encourage lower income people to become homeowners so taxes will be collected and the govt budget can balance itself.
instead every tom dick and harry is investing in housing. what are tycoons doing? pulling out and selling there realestate portfolios its a dangerous game
we are going to experience one of the highest housing gluts in us history...

florida i believe will be one of the most least affected becuase we are a self sustaining system...overall bush has not done anything to improve the economy everything that has happened has been trends...

gas itself is at 3dollars by the time bush leaves office we will be seeing prices closer to 4 dollars and there will be no stopping it.... this country will not go into a depression to many people(countries) count on us. but bad days are ahead of us....

overall study us economy and as an average stocks do 14% better with democrats in office as opposed to 5-6% with a republican in office i would debate more but its senseless to teach a cripple how to walk and blind man to see... i think i will have better luck trying to get a whore to give up the trade on biscayne before i change your views....

overall i will be here years from now and although i hate saying it (i told you so) will be the catch phrase of the first quarter of this century.....

now on that note while there still exist a democratic govt in the usa i motion that this forum be closed anyone second that motion or object?

Why do you lefties always think you should get the last tag ?

[DGM]

My International Health teacher was at one time the head of the multimillion dollar USAID central american branch. I'll ask her one day what she thinks of generic drugs. I bet she will be a supporter. Oh and making the assumption that some guy named Lenny makes killer drugs is so far fetched. Companies like CVS make generic drugs not Lenny. It is kind of funny that you attacked the assumption that rider made, that someone was buying $15 billion in drugs. The global fund probably spends over a billion. So, while he was off he was not off by much. Anyhow this thread has reached the final stage, discrediting what the last person said.

[BornInTheGrove]

I second the motion to close this thread....

Skyscrapers anyone?

[DGM]

I blame it all on Wilma...

[rider_of_rohan]

Rx, DGM I agree with you guys and I agree with Dale and Grove time to close this thread and move on..without Lenny.

[rider_of_rohan]

Originally Posted by Roark

well, as written in my post, I was there on Monday at noon, and looked at Esprito Santo "with my own eyes", amazingly, I didnt' see any "FLOORS of Espirito blown out" the building was the exact same height, and had the exact same number of floors as when I looked at it Friday...
There are a lot of holes in the windows on the South facade.
In case you hadn't really walked around the building or have no imagination, there are four sides to the building. Only one sustained damage, the south side.
In case you missed my point, it was that people shouldn't get prone to hyperbole and exaggeration. Even though you probably believe in your brain that "entire floors where blown up", that isn't true.
If someone from Orlando, or somewhere else reads your post, they might believe that Espirito Santo was poorly constructed. That isn't true. Only one side of 4 (25%) was damaged and out of the 200 or so windows, only 90 were broken (45%of that side, times 25% of the building or 2.25% of the windows were broken)...please, let's leave the exaggeratioin to WSVN and the Herald.
And from my observation, the EsSanto buildings damage was mostly broken windows that looked like projectiles broke them, not by entire windows popping out of their frames.

Oh and Roark, one last thing. As for making fun of my math skills..it was you who posted a failure in math 101 here. The number is 11.25% of the windows were broken, maybe you want to rework this.