Tulsa Development News

[eweezerinc]

I agree with that last statement.
Tulsa, I believe, is rather notorious for abandoning suburbs as they age. When one area gets old, build somwhere else and let this part of town go way down hill. I think Tulsa needs more people to be willing to reinvest in what's already there, and that includes DT.
Some things are happening, but not enough. Its got to be a city-wide effort to update and rejuvinate.

[SRG]

What old areas are you talking about? The south side of Tulsa is probably one of the nicest chunks of large cities you'll ever find. The north side of Tulsa has been predominantly poor from the inception of the Creek Council Tulseey village, so it was never really 'abandoned', just never got any better. That's not to say there aren't some nice historic hoods on the north side that have been well-preserved.

I don't think you'll come across a town with more residential historical preservation than Tulsa.

[eweezerinc]

Originally Posted by SRG

I don't think you'll come across a town with more residential historical preservation than Tulsa.

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[See east coast]

[SRG]

See Midtown Tulsa...and Downtown Tulsa.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/71912608@N00/

http://www.pbase.com/dcm74133/tulsas...o_architecture

http://www.pbase.com/dcm74133/historical_buildings

http://www.pbase.com/dcm74133/philbrook_museum_of_art

[eweezerinc]

I know that Tulsa has tons of preserved Art Deco buildings, but what does that have to do with "residential historical preservation"? All I was saying is Tulsa is likely not even in the top 20 as far as historical preservation goes. Louisville has the largest collection of preserved Victorian mansions in the United States, but it still doesn't hold a candle to the types of houses you'll find in Boston or Philly.
Trust me, I'm not bashing; I've been all over Tulsa, 90% Of my family lives there, I was born there, and I love the city.

[SRG]

Never accused you of bashing.

I would have thought a good urbanist like yourself would accept 'buidings' for per se their residential use.

[Unionstation13]

er,historical residential usually means historical homes and townhouses along with historical apartment buildings,and Tulsa does have some fine art deco buildings that were preserved,but historically Tulsa doesent even compare to the historical preservation of cities in the great lake region,southeast,or the east coast,remember,Oklahoma wasent even a state till the turn of the 19th century,and the rest of the states east of it were either brought into statehood in the early 1700's or early 1800's,wich leads to cities like Boston and Philidelphia being coverd with 18th century homes,and places like Cincy,Indy,st.pual,Detriot,Chicago,and Louisville,to have large historical districts of houses dating back to the 1820's or earlier,so you cant really say that,not attacking Tulsa at all,Tulsa is a very nice place,but historically it doesent compare to eastern cities or midwestern cities.

[SRG]

Actually, historically, it does. The 1920s and 1930s were Tulsa's golden years. Does any city Tulsa's size beat Tulsa for Art Deco history? No. The only REAL Art Deco city with more than Tulsa is New York.

This includes Philadelphia, Boston, Washington, and the rest. And for history, Tulsa may not be quite on par with Cincy, but it is at least on par with Louisville.

[Unionstation13]

I'v never been to Lousville so you could be correct,I dont know,
BUT,I thought you were talking about historical districts of manors,houses,shops,cathedrals,stations,temples,halls,lodges,plazas,and stuff,
but the 1930s and 1920s architecture isnt nearly as historical as victorian,queen anne,itialanate,and second empire,but for Oklahomas age,I guess that those interesting art deco structures are your victorian mansions,
(not literally but you get the point?).
and yes,Tulsa does have quite a few,here in Indianapolis,we only have art deco midrise and lowrise structures,but no art deco towers,our city had a law clear up to the 60s that nothing could be higher than the soldiers and sailors monument.

[ScraperDude]

This isnt so much on the architecture side but they FINALLY began the expansion of the Gilcrease Expressway further west to connect to the Tisdale Parkway. I guess it should move traffic easier between the east suburbs to the far North and West undeveloped Osage/Tulsa county lines which at this point development almost abruptly stops at the county line. More sprawl please!

[Unionstation13]

good for Tulsa,maybe it will make there be more activity in the downtown,(not saying there isnt any)I am just saying,it could make a nice downtown,better,but anything can be made better right?

[ScraperDude]

Yea downtown Tulsa is s-l-o-w-l-y coming around. right now the skyline is kick ass because they are getting ready for the Centinnial the buildings are lit up Red, purple and so on. I need to snap some shots soon. I'm downtown every weekend going out and theres plenty to do but theres always room for more.

[Unionstation13]

Yah,downtown Tulsa is slowly but surely devoloping,I think some major historical restoration of exsisting old stores and buildings,will lead to a very nice downtown.
Here in Indianapolis historical restoration is well,popular,especially in lockerbie and around wholesale and monument circle,
is there any restorations going on in downtown Tulsa?
If so,I would be interested in knowing about it,
its always nice to see a another city interested in preserving its history.

[SRG]

The Mayo Place district has a lot going on.

ScraperDude, this will also eventually connect to Berryhill and SW Tulsa, so I'm for it. It will give Tulsa a complete loop, which may even things out and center downtown some day.

[Unionstation13]

that would be nice.

[shane453]

Incidentally, Oklahoma's "version of" Victorian mansions /are/ Victorian mansions... The original state capitol, Guthrie, is recognized as having the best-preserved Victorian-style downtown commercial and residential districts in the nation.

But you're right, Oklahoma's history didn't really start to really kick off until the late 1800s when the land runs were held. But we sure made up for a lot of lost time in one-day bursts on the land run days... (They say Rome wasn't built in a day.. but Oklahoma was!)

[SRG]

Reason for Guthrie being the best preserved small town in the nation BY A LONG SHOT is that the money left it after 1906, and so did the "opportunity" for urban renewal. Darn it!

[Unionstation13]

victorian mansions huh?
Here in Indianapolis we have this five story brick german styled one,very thin building,mainly becuase of the compact space of its neighborhood,
but arent your guyses old manors downthere like really far apart from one another?(mainly becuase of the empty open avialable space.)

[eweezerinc]

Originally Posted by SRG

Actually, historically, it does. The 1920s and 1930s were Tulsa's golden years. Does any city Tulsa's size beat Tulsa for Art Deco history? No. The only REAL Art Deco city with more than Tulsa is New York.

This includes Philadelphia, Boston, Washington, and the rest. And for history, Tulsa may not be quite on par with Cincy, but it is at least on par with Louisville.

I just really need to point out that Detroit easily beats Tulsa in Art Deco.

[Unionstation13]

Originally Posted by eweezerinc

I just really need to point out that Detroit easily beats Tulsa in Art Deco.

ooo,I forgot Detriot.