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Old July 11th, 2006, 03:17 AM   #281
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Thanks for the huuuuuuuge pics!


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Old July 11th, 2006, 03:23 AM   #282
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Thanks for the huuuuuuuge pics!



thanks for reminding me.

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Old July 11th, 2006, 03:34 AM   #283
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Ah yes! Updated pics! Thats it?!!
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Old July 11th, 2006, 06:01 AM   #284
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those pictures are insane....(too large...)
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Old July 11th, 2006, 06:48 AM   #285
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Oh God...why are they using that ugly greenish-teal colour......
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Old July 11th, 2006, 07:39 AM   #286
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Teal Color-Scheme

I think that the teal-color you are seeing in the pics are not really teal in the literal sense of the word. They only appear or seem teal but they aren't teal in reality.
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Old July 11th, 2006, 07:59 AM   #287
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I like the design but how come Chinese (and Hong Kong) airports require so many planes to park in stands away from the terminal?

I thought a design like these would be better for having more planes park that the terminal. I would call this the "tree" and "bar" design but I'm not sure what the official terms are for airports deisgned like O'hare and ATL.


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Old July 11th, 2006, 09:24 AM   #288
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I like the design but how come Chinese (and Hong Kong) airports require so many planes to park in stands away from the terminal?

I thought a design like these would be better for having more planes park that the terminal. I would call this the "tree" and "bar" design but I'm not sure what the official terms are for airports deisgned like O'hare and ATL.
I'd call O'Hare a "tree" type layout too.

Atlanta is referred to most commonly as a "toast rack".

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Old July 11th, 2006, 01:25 PM   #289
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First phase of the terminal of Hong Kong Airport must be wholely built on the original Chek Lap Kok Island otherwise it will sink like Kansai. Therefore the layout design has little flexibility.
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Old July 11th, 2006, 04:05 PM   #290
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That airport is SO massive!
in fact these pics are also so huge ,they nearly crashed my PC
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Old July 12th, 2006, 04:18 AM   #291
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First phase of the terminal of Hong Kong Airport must be wholely built on the original Chek Lap Kok Island otherwise it will sink like Kansai. Therefore the layout design has little flexibility.
That makes sense but why is the layout similar with PEK? The "tree" design seems to hold the most planes so why don't new terminals at large airports use it?
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Old July 12th, 2006, 05:39 AM   #292
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I thought a design like these would be better for having more planes park that the terminal. I would call this the "tree" and "bar" design but I'm not sure what the official terms are for airports deisgned like O'hare and ATL.
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I'd call O'Hare a "tree" type layout too.

Atlanta is referred to most commonly as a "toast rack".

AFAIK, O'Hare's terminal layout is called "(Finger-)Pier Plan", while Atlanta's is a combo of "Linear Concept" & "Satellite Concept".

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Old July 12th, 2006, 06:03 AM   #293
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How T3 looked like about a month ago...

...well actually it's T3B, exclusively for int'l flights (photo courtesy of 'pj')

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Old July 12th, 2006, 06:07 AM   #294
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The Beijing airport plans are phenomenal!. It's HUGE & AWESOME!
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Old July 12th, 2006, 06:44 AM   #295
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I like the design but how come Chinese (and Hong Kong) airports require so many planes to park in stands away from the terminal?

I thought a design like these would be better for having more planes park that the terminal. I would call this the "tree" and "bar" design but I'm not sure what the official terms are for airports deisgned like O'hare and ATL.
I think part of it has to do with the fact that all the gates at many of these new terminals were designed with the latest widebody jets in mind. Take Hong Kong for example. It's a huge terminal but only has 48 gates for airplanes to park directly at the terminal (with expansion, will increase to 80). All gates are designed for widebody aircraft, and have two jetways to allow rapid boarding and deplaning (I seem to recall they were designed from the start to handle the A380 -- someone might want to confirm this). There are no gates specifically for narrow-body jets.

Contrast that to your pictures of Atlanta and Chicago, where a smaller percentage of the gates are designed to handle 747 or larger aircraft.

Historically, airlines (and airports) in Asia have been slot-constrained, meaning larger aircraft in general. Cathay Pacific Airways in HK operates only a wide-body fleet of B777s, B744s, A330s and A340s. No B737s or A320s here!

Despite the relatively small number of gates, Hong Kong still handled 40 million passengers last year. And I can't remember the last time I had to take a bus to a remote stand (except when traveling on a Chinese airline).

An interesting aside. I remember the old Hong Kong Kai Tak airport only had 8 jetways. Most planes had to park remotely. So I'd say the new airport is a definite improvement!
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Old July 12th, 2006, 07:03 AM   #296
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I just drooled over these renders for the past thirty minutes!

The steel used in that structure would have depleted an entire iron mine!

Incredible!
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Old July 12th, 2006, 10:43 AM   #297
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Nice renders though i'm somewhat disappointed with the result. The roof looks a tangled mess inside and the red dragon theme is a bit lazy and silly. There is no sense of serenity within this space unlike Hong Kong's airport which in my eye's is a far superior design,clean and simple. I do like however the garden like spaces within the airport though I doubt in the summer months these will be used due to the humidity/noise and pollution around this aiport.
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Old July 12th, 2006, 11:01 AM   #298
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I think part of it has to do with the fact that all the gates at many of these new terminals were designed with the latest widebody jets in mind. Take Hong Kong for example. It's a huge terminal but only has 48 gates for airplanes to park directly at the terminal (with expansion, will increase to 80). All gates are designed for widebody aircraft, and have two jetways to allow rapid boarding and deplaning (I seem to recall they were designed from the start to handle the A380 -- someone might want to confirm this). There are no gates specifically for narrow-body jets.

Contrast that to your pictures of Atlanta and Chicago, where a smaller percentage of the gates are designed to handle 747 or larger aircraft.

Historically, airlines (and airports) in Asia have been slot-constrained, meaning larger aircraft in general. Cathay Pacific Airways in HK operates only a wide-body fleet of B777s, B744s, A330s and A340s. No B737s or A320s here!

Despite the relatively small number of gates, Hong Kong still handled 40 million passengers last year. And I can't remember the last time I had to take a bus to a remote stand (except when traveling on a Chinese airline).

An interesting aside. I remember the old Hong Kong Kai Tak airport only had 8 jetways. Most planes had to park remotely. So I'd say the new airport is a definite improvement!
Wow, thanks for the explanation. I failed to take note of the plane sizes over in Hong Kong and other large Asian cities.

Here in the U.S. we see lots of DC-9's, MD80's (my favorite), 737's, A320's down to shitloads of ERJ's and CRJ's that also occupy gates. That last time I had to take a bus to a remote stand was when I boarded an EMB-120 at IAH since they seem to park all their turboprops away from the gates.


With all that said I do like the design of this new terminal but as others are pointing out they need to arrange the colors so that they're pleasing to the eye.
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Old July 12th, 2006, 12:43 PM   #299
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Wow, thanks for the explanation. I failed to take note of the plane sizes over in Hong Kong and other large Asian cities.

Here in the U.S. we see lots of DC-9's, MD80's (my favorite), 737's, A320's down to shitloads of ERJ's and CRJ's that also occupy gates. That last time I had to take a bus to a remote stand was when I boarded an EMB-120 at IAH since they seem to park all their turboprops away from the gates.


With all that said I do like the design of this new terminal but as others are pointing out they need to arrange the colors so that they're pleasing to the eye.
Here's a picture of HKG:



You can see the wide spacing between gates as well as the general use of larger planes. Of all the planes in this picture -- 35 by my count -- at least 24 of them are widebodies. The dual jetways can also be clearly seen on the right.

Incidentally, the new Beijing terminal and Hong Kong airport were both designed by Norman Foster -- hence the similarity in shape. Foster also designed the terminal at London Stansted, so it's been interesting to watch the evolution in Foster's airport designs starting with Stansted, HK and now to Beijing.
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Old July 12th, 2006, 02:29 PM   #300
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fm_2258,

also hong kong is currently constructing a smaller terminal specifically for narrow-body aircrafts and it'll provide an addition of 10 more parking gates.

and from the rendering, you can see the gates are much closer for that reason.

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