daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Railways

Railways (Inter)national commuter and freight trains



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old March 25th, 2006, 06:52 PM   #21
Vespasiano
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1
Likes (Received): 0

I'm Swiss and I didn't get the joke as well. Maybe he means gourmets from Milan who steal mushrooms from Swiss valleys? That could be political humour we cannot understand.
Vespasiano no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old March 26th, 2006, 07:06 AM   #22
scorpion
...starwood... :-D
 
scorpion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: LA-Lndn-HK-Dub-Amsterdam-Aspen...
Posts: 1,069
Likes (Received): 4

wonderful supplemental to this CH-centric development!
__________________
http://************/mb5po9.jpg

DUBAI 2006 -- Welcome!! :)
scorpion no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 31st, 2006, 12:46 AM   #23
Deadeye
BANNED
 
Deadeye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Berlin/Lüdenscheid/Rybnik
Posts: 288
Likes (Received): 18

57.9 percent of the Gotthard Base Tunnel excavated

On March 1, 2006, of the total of 153.5 km of tunnels, galleries and passages of the Gotthard Base Tunnel, 88.89 km or 57.9% had been excavated. This means that a greater length has now been excavated on the Gotthard than on the Lötschberg. There, the entire length of tunnels and galleries excluding cross passages is 88.064 km.
The total amount driven in February 2006 was 2,235 metres.

Deadeye no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 31st, 2006, 02:04 AM   #24
Bertez
Registered User
 
Bertez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Sauga
Posts: 2,203
Likes (Received): 6

Looks awesome
__________________
........
Bertez no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 31st, 2006, 12:35 PM   #25
Tubeman
Jubilation
 
Tubeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: London SE15
Posts: 18,973
Likes (Received): 3271

I was curious, and I suppose this applies to all long tunnels, what's its shelf life considering the Alps are still actively being thrust upwards due to tectonic activity?

Will it start to crack in a few years? At what point will it start to become too misaligned?

Not soon, I'm sure... But you get my point?
Tubeman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 31st, 2006, 02:25 PM   #26
Tuxa4evskiy
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Moscow
Posts: 57
Likes (Received): 3

Very impressive!
Tuxa4evskiy no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 31st, 2006, 09:36 PM   #27
De Snor
Forever Travelling
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,385
Likes (Received): 39

Druckfrisch: Das Buch über den Lötschberg-Basistunnel!

Das Buch «Von der Idee zum Durchschlag» beschreibt ausführlich den Bau des Jahrhundert-Projektes Lötschberg-Basistunnel. Von den ersten Projektideen und Skizzen bis hin zum letzten Durchschlag im April 2005



Auf rund 300 Seiten sehen Sie, was alles nötig ist, damit ein solch
gigantisches Projekt überhaupt realisiert werden kann. In dem gut
gegliederten Werk erfahren Sie viel Wissenswertes über die einzelnen Themenbereiche wie z.B. Geologie, Vermessung, Materialbewirtschaftung und die verschiedenen Baustellen. Das Buch ist reich illustriert mit
ausdrucksstarken Farbbildern des Fotografen Thomas Andenmatten. Eingeschoben sind zwei Teile mit Schwarzweiss-Aufnahmen von Bernard Dubuis, welche die eindrückliche Arbeit der Tunnelbauer zeigt.
Herausgeber des Werkes ist die BLS AlpTransit AG. Die Textbeiträge wurden von am Bau beteiligten Ingenieuren geschrieben. Das Buch soll sowohl Fachleute wie auch die breite Öffentlichkeit ansprechen. Es ist in unseren Info-Centern erhältlich oder kann unter www.staempfli.com bestellt werden. Bis Ende 2005 ist das Buch zum Preis von Fr. 44.– erhältlich, ab Neujahr dann zum regulären Preis von Fr. 54.–.

Schlicht, edel, audrucksvoll bebildert und mit interessanten Informationen: So präsentiert sich das Werk dem Publikum.

Worth every CHF !!
De Snor no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 1st, 2006, 05:34 PM   #28
Vertigo
Fan van de Neudeflat
 
Vertigo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Utrecht
Posts: 2,487
Likes (Received): 130

VERY impressive project. This will change travel through the Alps for good.

@momochan: are you sure the old route will remain open? I heard it would perhaps be closed. That would be too bad, because it's a beautiful railway line and could function both for regional passenger trains as well as for tourists trains.
Vertigo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 1st, 2006, 09:30 PM   #29
Momo1435
-----アンジュルム-----
 
Momo1435's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: アルフェナンデンライン
Posts: 35,160
Likes (Received): 62783

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vertigo
@momochan: are you sure the old route will remain open? I heard it would perhaps be closed. That would be too bad, because it's a beautiful railway line and could function both for regional passenger trains as well as for tourists trains.
The SBB has hinted that it will not use the old line after tunnel opens, but the Swiss Government wants to get the line on the Unesco World Heritage List next year for it's 125th birthday. If that happens the line will remain open, but the SBB doesn't have to use it.
For now the SBB is planning to make the old line more atractive for tourists. from December 2007 there will be only fast tilting EMU's for the ICN and CIS trains and all of the slower IR trains will have a panorama car.

The future of the line is still unclear, but alot can happen until 2015, I think that the line will remain in use but I don't now how.
__________________
Support your Idols
キタ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ฅ(๑⊙д⊙๑)ฅ!! ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!
Japan Projects & Construction

Highcliff liked this post
Momo1435 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old April 1st, 2006, 09:59 PM   #30
Coccodrillo
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 7,199
Likes (Received): 766

On the south side there is now only one IR train each hour, yet a lot for the only 10.000 inhabitants (12.000 in 1970, 9.500 in 200, still decreasing), and still divided in a lot of villages not always served by the railroad.

The very first km of the line until Biasca have one train every 30 minutes. The tunnel begings near this town, but it is linked to the actual line south of it.

I hope they keep the line opened, also to backup the new in case of accidents.
Coccodrillo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 2nd, 2006, 08:50 AM   #31
Momo1435
-----アンジュルム-----
 
Momo1435's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: アルフェナンデンライン
Posts: 35,160
Likes (Received): 62783

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coccodrillo
I hope they keep the line opened, also to backup the new in case of accidents.

The SBB argues that their is no need for the old line as a back-up. If the tunnel is closed for whatever reasons, they simply use the Lötschberg Basistunnel as an alternative route. But if the old line remains open they will certainly use it in case of emergency, especially for freight trains.
__________________
Support your Idols
キタ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ฅ(๑⊙д⊙๑)ฅ!! ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!
Japan Projects & Construction

Highcliff liked this post
Momo1435 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old April 3rd, 2006, 07:27 PM   #32
tykho
Out of Control
 
tykho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Mu
Posts: 340
Likes (Received): 117

A truly amazing project.
__________________
"Don’t take advantage of my friendship, Corto."
"What’s friendship, but something to take advantage of?"
tykho no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 3rd, 2006, 09:27 PM   #33
pflo777
BANNED
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,456
Likes (Received): 89

so whats the next longer tunnel to be built?

57 km cannot be the longest tunnel mankind is able to build.....

What about china? are they not planning anything?
pflo777 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 3rd, 2006, 09:34 PM   #34
Momo1435
-----アンジュルム-----
 
Momo1435's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: アルフェナンデンライン
Posts: 35,160
Likes (Received): 62783

Maybe a railway tunnel between Japan and Korea. Although there is some serious diplomacy needed to get this one under construction.
__________________
Support your Idols
キタ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ฅ(๑⊙д⊙๑)ฅ!! ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!
Japan Projects & Construction

Highcliff liked this post
Momo1435 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2006, 02:47 PM   #35
earthJoker
Ölm
 
earthJoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Zürich
Posts: 2,806
Likes (Received): 1988

Quote:
Originally Posted by momochan
The SBB argues that their is no need for the old line as a back-up. If the tunnel is closed for whatever reasons, they simply use the Lötschberg Basistunnel as an alternative route. But if the old line remains open they will certainly use it in case of emergency, especially for freight trains.
Where you got that from, AFAIK both old lines will still be in use, only it wont be used for Intercities and freight, but still for regional and inter-regio trains.
__________________
Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?

See you in the Swiss Forum on skyscrapercity.com
earthJoker no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2006, 06:49 PM   #36
Momo1435
-----アンジュルム-----
 
Momo1435's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: アルフェナンデンライン
Posts: 35,160
Likes (Received): 62783

I thought that to, but the SBB wasn't keen on keeping the old line open. I read it on the Internet and in various magazines, like Schweizer Eisenbahn Revue

The problem is that it is unsure what will happen with the old line. The line will become unprofitable for the SBB, that's why they initially said that it would close, see the german wiki. In 2007 the results of a study by the SBB and the will be published about the future of the line. It will explore the possibilities of a tourist function for the line.

Today there are no regional trains on the Gotthard between Erstfeld and Biasca (the main part) because the line is to busy with freight trains. The IR trains will become unprofitable because the highspeed trains through the new tunnel are much faster. It may depends on the UNESCO outcome what will happen with the old line. If it won't be on the list the chances of survival will diminish.

ps. The SBB also said that the new tunnel doesn't need a back-up beacause there are two one-track tunnels.
__________________
Support your Idols
キタ ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ ฅ(๑⊙д⊙๑)ฅ!! ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!
Japan Projects & Construction

Highcliff liked this post
Momo1435 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old April 5th, 2006, 08:22 PM   #37
Bahnsteig4
.
 
Bahnsteig4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Vienna.
Posts: 5,707
Likes (Received): 93

I love the project but I hate the Swiss for ALWAYS being better than us

Seriously, not even two Austrian states (Lower Austria and Styria) can agree on a 12km Semmering-base tunnel, let alone the Brenner base tunnel... The Swiss manage to efficiently get transit traffic off the road but in the Tyrol all the motorways are still congested while the trains are still going way too slowly between Innsbruck and Italy. Somehow, noone seems to care...

Great project, congrats from an envying Austrian.
__________________
VIENNA - Should Europe fear this city?

Austrian Forum - Support our Skybar!


Yes, for ****'s sake, all pictures I post were TAKEN BY ME

Highcliff liked this post
Bahnsteig4 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 6th, 2006, 05:58 PM   #38
earthJoker
Ölm
 
earthJoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Zürich
Posts: 2,806
Likes (Received): 1988

Quote:
Originally Posted by momochan
I thought that to, but the SBB wasn't keen on keeping the old line open. I read it on the Internet and in various magazines, like Schweizer Eisenbahn Revue

The problem is that it is unsure what will happen with the old line. The line will become unprofitable for the SBB, that's why they initially said that it would close, see the german wiki. In 2007 the results of a study by the SBB and the will be published about the future of the line. It will explore the possibilities of a tourist function for the line.
Most of the lines are unprofitable, the sbb as whole is unprovitable as a whole.

The SBB has to be profitable on cargo but today it is still subsidised for people movement.

Quote:
Today there are no regional trains on the Gotthard between Erstfeld and Biasca (the main part) because the line is to busy with freight trains. The IR trains will become unprofitable because the highspeed trains through the new tunnel are much faster. It may depends on the UNESCO outcome what will happen with the old line. If it won't be on the list the chances of survival will diminish.

ps. The SBB also said that the new tunnel doesn't need a back-up beacause there are two one-track tunnels.
There are some reason why keep the old route, one major reason is the connection to the göschenen-andermatt train, wich connects to the furka-oberalp line (so grishun and vallais). There is a big project Andermatt so this could easy be a important factor soon.
Of course some want the porta alpina to do that connection.
One more reason to vote against the porta alpina.

Also the regional busses could be replaced by regional trains. And the interegios that are already there. Also extra trains that don't fit into that scedule of the base-tunnel line.
__________________
Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?

See you in the Swiss Forum on skyscrapercity.com

Highcliff liked this post
earthJoker no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 8th, 2006, 12:07 AM   #39
Vertigo
Fan van de Neudeflat
 
Vertigo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Utrecht
Posts: 2,487
Likes (Received): 130

I could understand SBB has not much interest in the line after the opening of the new tunnel, but perhaps the Matterhorn Gotthard Bahn (former FO) could be interested? For them it could be a nice addition to their current network. Perhaps the line would not be profitable, but there are some strong arguments for subsidies from a local government, I would think (both for regional transport and stimulating tourism).
__________________

Highcliff liked this post
Vertigo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 8th, 2006, 12:50 AM   #40
earthJoker
Ölm
 
earthJoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Zürich
Posts: 2,806
Likes (Received): 1988

I just(well about some hours ago) had the Idea that one of the two tracks could be replaced with a 1 meter gauge, or turned into a 3 track line. This way the trains could directly go from Andermatt to Erstfeld.
__________________
Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?

See you in the Swiss Forum on skyscrapercity.com

Highcliff liked this post
earthJoker no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
alps

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium