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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:55 AM   #781
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Just had a look at the webcams after a couple of weeks away, and it looks like there is track being laid for the eastern track at the Bodio portal.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 04:11 PM   #782
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Question: does SBB/CFF/FSS directly operates any gondolas and funiculars?
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:05 PM   #783
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Besides most of the standard gauge network (but not the important Lötschberg railways), they operated the metre gauge Lucerne-Interlaken line* and the Piotta-Piora** funicular. This latter was built by the SBB together with the hydropower complex for construction and maintenance of the same, but since maybe 50 years is also opened to the public. However it is possible that this tourist service is managed by local authorities, I would have to check.

There is at elas another maintenance funiculars serving an SBB's power plant, this one, closed to the public. I don't know if there are others, or if there are ropeways, with the same function.

Then in Wallis/Valais I saw at least one bus in SBB "colours" (all white with the SBB CFF FFS logo), but I suppose it is run by the Post or another bus company on behalf of the SBB.

*now managed together with the Lucerne-Engelberg line the by a separate company, partially owned by SBB

**note the level crossing on the A2, used once every decade at most
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 09:34 AM   #784
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... and the Piotta-Piora** funicular. This latter was built by the SBB together with the hydropower complex for construction and maintenance of the same, but since maybe 50 years is also opened to the public. However it is possible that this tourist service is managed by local authorities, I would have to check.
Actually this funicular was sold to Ritom SA in 2003, so no longer owned/operated by SBB: www.ritom.ch
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Old October 2nd, 2013, 10:37 PM   #785
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Probable service pattern through the Ceneri Base Tunnel.

I had to cut the PDF (itself a scan of a paper map) to show it. The red line, RE10, goes no-stop from Göschenen to Erstfeld.

Frequencies are:
15 minutes for S60
30 minutes for S4, S5, S9, S11, S20, RE80 north of Lugano and IC Zürich-Lugano
60 minutes for S10, S30, S40, S50, RE80 south of Lugano
120 minutes for S30 north of Luino

S10, S40 and S50 combine to offer a 30' headway.

The grey line is RE80 Locarno-Lugano-Malpensa.

The thin blue lines (from Airolo and from Cadenazzo) are buses, the thin black lines and the nearly invisible grey lines are othe railways.

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Old October 12th, 2013, 06:43 AM   #786
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The cavern used for the production of concrete. It is parallel to the main tubes and will later be useless, except in case of emergency.

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may I make an off topic comment?
in brazil, we also have holcim concrete....

http://epocanegocios.globo.com/Revis...ICA+EM+MG.html
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may I make an off topic comment?
in brazil, we also have holcim concrete....
Holcim is a big multinational. No surprise here.
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Probable service pattern through the Ceneri Base Tunnel.
I thought it had recently been decided to end the S10 in Chiasso? The extension to Camerlata is apparently not as popular as expected.
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Old October 12th, 2013, 04:06 PM   #789
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in brazil, we also have holcim concrete....
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The Holcim Group holds majority and minority interests in more than 70 countries on all continents. From its origins in Switzerland, the Group has grown into a global company with market presence in over 70 countries on all continents. The Group employs some 90,000 people. Holcim initiated production of cement in 1912 in the village of Holderbank, (Lenzburg district, Canton of Aargau, ca. 40 km from Zürich) and used the name Holderbank AG until 2001 when they changed it to Holcim from Holderbank and ciment. It is currently (2010) the largest cement manufacturer in the world, just ahead of Lafarge.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 11:25 PM   #790
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Probable service pattern through the Ceneri Base Tunnel.

I had to cut the PDF (itself a scan of a paper map) to show it. The red line, RE10, goes no-stop from Göschenen to Erstfeld.

Frequencies are:

60 minutes for S10, S30, S40, S50, RE80 south of Lugano

S10, S40 and S50 combine to offer a 30' headway.


That is, if there will be an S40!!!
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Old October 14th, 2013, 09:35 AM   #791
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It is likely, when the line to Varese will open (which is sure, the problem is when, not if).
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Old October 15th, 2013, 04:40 PM   #792
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It's now been three years (15 October 2010) since the breakthrough in the GBT.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 11:49 AM   #793
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Hi, any update of this project?

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Old October 24th, 2013, 04:18 PM   #794
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You can check the status of the work on the alptransit website: http://www.alptransit.ch/en/home.html

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Status of the work Gotthard and Ceneri Base Tunnel

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At the beginning of September 2013, the Erstfeld underpass was opened to traffic. The cantonal road passes through the new underpass.
On September 30, 2013, in Faido, the handover took place of all underground built structures (including auxiliary built structures in the MFS, the access adit at Faido and the bypass tunnel at Bodio).
At the end of September 2013, 57 % of the railway systems in the Gotthard Base Tunnel had been installed.
Of the total of 39.78 km of the Ceneri Base Tunnel, at the end of September 2013, 27.31 km, or 68.6 %, had been excavated.


Status of the work Railway infrastructure


Overground section north

Work on the cable duct between tracks 4 and 5 between approximately Km 97.200 and Km 97.700 is in progress and is expected to be completed by the end of the month.

Erstfeld – Faido East and West

Between Erstfeld and Amsteg, installation of the firewalls has begun. Also in progress in this section is the commissioning work for the cross-passages.
In the power station at Amsteg, as well as in the power-supply feed-in point at Amsteg, commissioning work has been performed. In both tunnels, low-voltage cables and optical-fibre cables have been pulled in.
At the end of September 2013, concreting of the ballastless track in Phase 6 was complete up to Km 134.065. At the start of October, Phase 7 of concrete-laying began.
In both tubes between Erstfeld and Sedrun, 100-metre signs have been installed and handrails have been mounted.
In the west tube, axle-counters, balises and signal boards have been installed.
In the shaft-head cavern at Sedrun, installation of the crane system has begun.

Faido – Bodio East and West

On September 1, 2013, the east tube Faido-Bodio and the lateral cavern in the MFS Faido passed into the responsibility of the railway systems contractor.
In the MFS Faido, the power supply for Tunnel Infrastructure Systems Lot E (Building Systems MFS) was installed.
Following removal of the loading ramp of the tunnel construction contractor, the railway systems contractor has constructed a temporary ramp tailored to its own needs.
In the east tube, consoles and cooling-water pipelines have been installed from the north. Temporary cables and electrical enclosures have also been installed.
At the beginning of September 2013, the air-intake fans for the ventilation centre at Faido were delivered.

Overground section south

SBB has performed the final preparatory work for connection of the mobile substation at Pollegio. Delivery of the mobile substation took place via Biasca railway station on September 25, 2013.
On tracks 5 and 6 to the north of the installations site at Biasca, mast foundations have been constructed.
In the Pollegio Control Centre (CEP), partial tests and total integration tests for commissioning have been performed.

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Old November 18th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #796
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Question: when will they finish the 2nd track on the Lötschberg tunnel?
It is already in place since some decades

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There are no serious plans for a complete second tube (no pressing need really), but there is a plan to fit out the part of the second tube which has been dug but has no rails or infrastructure. I think that would leave only 1/3 as a single track.
The single track one is the Lötschberg base tunnel. If the next rail investment programme is approved next February, another ~15 km of single track tunnel might be opened around 2030-2035 (the section bored but without lining and without track), leaving a last ~7 km single track section. Full double tracking is not even planned.

Today around 13 km are double track, 22 km a continuous single track. I don't know what would be done with Frutigen's bypass (mainly the 2,6 km Engstlige tunnel), which has only one track but the trackbed (and tunnel) built for two. However this is a bypass, so there is still the original double track line which together with the bypass give a triple track section.
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Anyone know when they'll excavate the south corridor link to Italy tunnel stubs? Perhaps after the Vezia breakthroughs occur?
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Surely everybody understood without it being spelled out that it's Lotschberg base tunnel we were referring to...
Sure, I just wanted to point out that the "base" is part of the official name (just like the couples base-summit tunnels of the Hauenstein, Furka and Zimmerberg).

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Anyone know when they'll excavate the south corridor link to Italy tunnel stubs? Perhaps after the Vezia breakthroughs occur?
If you are asking when the two stubs of the underground junction (called "Saré junction") will be prolonged to Italy, the answer is...nobody knows. Certainly construction will not start before 2040, if not ever.

Note that there are plans for a "second" Ceneri base tunnel, that is, a single track freight only tunnel that would be roughly parallel to the CBT, but east of it and linked to Luino instead of Lugano. Also this is not for this half of the century.

Sure, things can always change, nobody knows the future...but that is what we can say today. Without collaboration from Italy these two projects cannot be built, and Italy is now interested only to the Brenner base tunnel (a good project, IMHO) and to the Fréjus base tunnel (or Lyon-Turin) which many people think will attract far less traffic than the Gotthard and Brenner base tunnels...
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If you are asking when the two stubs of the underground junction (called "Saré junction") will be prolonged to Italy, the answer is...nobody knows. Certainly construction will not start before 2040, if not ever.

Note that there are plans for a "second" Ceneri base tunnel, that is, a single track freight only tunnel that would be roughly parallel to the CBT, but east of it and linked to Luino instead of Lugano. Also this is not for this half of the century.

Sure, things can always change, nobody knows the future...but that is what we can say today. Without collaboration from Italy these two projects cannot be built, and Italy is now interested only to the Brenner base tunnel (a good project, IMHO) and to the Fréjus base tunnel (or Lyon-Turin) which many people think will attract far less traffic than the Gotthard and Brenner base tunnels...
Ok, thanks. I would have thought that it was necessary to have a tunnel branch off stub made (like what was built at the northern end of the GBT) to allow for a possible future expansion, even if this future expansion is decades away.

If that's not done before the tunnel is lined with concrete, it'll be hell of a job later on and require the CBT to be closed.
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Sorry, I misunderstood your post, because the stubs are under construction.

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By the way, a few maps of the future projects can be seen on the internet (PDF files on the right).

Zürich-Zug: http://www.bav.admin.ch/themen/02957...x.html?lang=it (sections 1.2 and 1.3)
Arth Goldau-GBT: http://www.bav.admin.ch/themen/02957...x.html?lang=it
GBT-Italian border: http://www.bav.admin.ch/themen/02957...x.html?lang=it
Lötschberg north: http://www.bav.admin.ch/themen/02957...x.html?lang=it (3.6 and 3.7)
Lötschberg south: http://www.bav.admin.ch/themen/02957...x.html?lang=it

They are taken from the "sectoral plan", which is a collection of documents planning what might be built by the public sector even in the far future (up to half a century from now...) so that to coordinate planning procedures. Here the railway part, with text in DE/FR/IT according to the local language:

http://www.bav.admin.ch/themen/02957...x.html?lang=de (PDF on the right)

There is certainly an analogue document with road projects, but I haven't found it yet.
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