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Old November 29th, 2015, 12:38 PM   #1041
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But south of Chiasso there aren't mountains, either. P/C 99 is a future proof design, like the double stack loading gauge of tunnels of the Betuwelijn.

The only problematic object south of Chiasso would be the 7.2 km long Monte Olimpino 2 tunnel (used mainly for freight, only some EuroCity trains use it). Here the best option might be a new single track tube, reducing the existing double track tube to single track and building a better lining (it now has water ingress problems, and -in addition-no emergency exit).

Anyway, that's a discussion for the next century...
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Old November 29th, 2015, 05:39 PM   #1042
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And south of Monte Olimpino you're stuck anyway...

http://intermodale24-rail.net/IMMAGI...inato-2014.pdf

P/C 60 to Milano, 45 beyond it, and 22 to reach the ports (although the latter will be solved with the new line to Genova).

Ok, future proofing is right, but I don't see anything in Italy beyond P/C 80 in the next decades...
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Old November 29th, 2015, 07:01 PM   #1043
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...555021&nseq=53
Georg Trüb, November 17, 2015, near Erstfeld
Push pull test train for the new 57 kilometer long Gotthard base tunnel (GBT), which will open next year. Re 460 # 084 with a first class Apm, two second class Bpm and a cab car Bt, for up to 200 km/h. The train is only about 200 meter from the north portal of the new tunnel.
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Old November 30th, 2015, 06:43 AM   #1044
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I suppose that the first official train(s) through the tunnel on 1 June 2016 are already packed full with VIPs?
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Old November 30th, 2015, 11:45 PM   #1045
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I suppose that the first official train(s) through the tunnel on 1 June 2016 are already packed full with VIPs?
The official state occasion to mark the opening of the tunnel will take place on 1 June 2016. Guests at either end of the tunnel will be able to see two trains set off on their maiden journeys from the north and the south. Members of the public will have the chance to travel on the two trains, as a gesture of gratitude to the Swiss people. It is thanks to their votes at the ballot box that the construction and financing of the Gotthard base tunnel as part of the New Rail Link through the Alps (NRLA) was possible. A draw will be held in January 2016 to allocate seats on the trains.

https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/do...-id-57466.html
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Old December 1st, 2015, 01:52 AM   #1046
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Thanks for that. It'd be great if a few people from this forum managed to get tickets.
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Old December 16th, 2015, 10:30 PM   #1047
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Well... We are able to travel into the tunnel already... by bike

Here is the 360° video:

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Old December 16th, 2015, 11:01 PM   #1048
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How do you film it to make it look like that? Haven't seen it before...
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Old December 17th, 2015, 06:15 AM   #1049
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How do you film it to make it look like that? Haven't seen it before...
Oh I just noticed that it is distorted if you watch the embedded video!

So this video is 360° like street view in Google Maps, just moving. You can look around with the cursor but please watch it on youtube website (click the youtube icon) and then it will work normally.

This is a new technology I don't know much about it but I think this is similar to the mentioned Street View, just the algorythm put different camera view together. There are a lot of 360 videos on youtube already.
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Old December 28th, 2015, 09:40 PM   #1050
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If you're Swiss, I see there is a competition to obtain tickets for the first trains through the GBT.

http://www.gottardo2016.ch/en
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Old December 28th, 2015, 10:50 PM   #1051
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I had already registered for the contest

The tickets are for 1st June, the day of the ceremony for the authorities. They decided to also allow a small part of those who paid for the tunnel to run on inaugural trains. For the rest of the public, trains will run on 4 and 5 June. Tickets for these trains might be sold (likely for a simbolic price) in advance from next spring, as 50.000 to 100.000 people are expected, I suppose trains running through the base tunnel will have reserved seats only (which is extremely rare in Switzerland, only a few tourist trains and partially international trains have compulsory reservation here).

The competition for the 1st June's tickets is open to Swiss citizens but also to Swiss residents (even if not citizens).

Also on 2nd or 3rd June special passenger trains will run, but for the workers who built the tunnel.
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Old December 29th, 2015, 01:30 AM   #1052
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I knew that you'd be in for tickets.

It'd be fantastic to see you or someone else from SSC get tickets. Best of luck Coco.
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If you're Swiss, I see there is a competition to obtain tickets for the first trains through the GBT. http://www.gottardo2016.ch/en
Foreign residents are also eligible (as well as Swiss living abroad).
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Old December 30th, 2015, 10:52 AM   #1054
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To be precise:

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The competition for the 1st June's tickets is open to Swiss citizens but also to Swiss residents (even if not citizens).
So:

Swiss citizen living in Switzerland ==> YES
Swiss citizen living outside Switzerland ==> YES
non-Swiss citizen living in Switzerland ==> YES
non-Swiss citizen living outside Switzerland ==> NO

It is a way to thank taxpayers. However, trains on the 4/5 June will be open to everyone (but book tickets early).
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Old January 4th, 2016, 01:06 PM   #1055
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Four minute long video with aerial shots of the GBT & CBT:



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Old January 4th, 2016, 05:53 PM   #1056
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It is a way to thank taxpayers. However, trains on the 4/5 June will be open to everyone (but book tickets early).
Which got me to thinking...

In 1991 the Belgian railways ran a 80 car passenger train. That record still stands. What would be cool if the SBB did the following for the first train:
- Have 8 trains of about 12 cars leave from different places all over the country.
- Somewhere north of the tunnel link those trains up in one huge train. Run that through the tunnel for the opening. Deck the trains out in the flags of all the Swiss cantons.

SBB gets to set a new record, and what a better way than to show the "reinforcing the unitiy of the country" aspect of the new tunnel...
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Old January 4th, 2016, 06:01 PM   #1057
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Do tunnel safety rules even allow a gigantic passenger train like that in the GBT?
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you can't, it depends on settings by the person who uploaded the video.
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I knew that you'd be in for tickets. It'd be fantastic to see you or someone else from SSC get tickets. Best of luck Coco.
He will definitely need it... Already 115'000 (!!!) applications! (According to a SBB spokesperson quoted in today's newspaper).
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Old January 8th, 2016, 12:21 AM   #1060
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Could some of the excavated rock from the CBT that's been placed next to the Sigirino adit not be used elsewhere, eg for road building or similar?

Or would the cost to transport it from A to B make such a proposal uneconomic?
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