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Old March 27th, 2008, 05:41 AM   #2081
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Atlanta was also the result of extreme racism, most notably MARTA.

"Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta" Basically the white counties were afraid of decreasing property via "less desirables" moving in.
There's a Black Fear of Whites too. It goes both ways. You think during the deepest days of White Flight that Blacks would've been welcoming of White families that "held their ground" in a given neighborhood?

I can only hope we've passed those days, and with the growing Hispanic population maybe that'll help to bring Blacks and Whites together.
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Old March 27th, 2008, 01:48 PM   #2082
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Has anybody who drove on Interstates lately notice a difference in lane discipline in different freeways in the same metro area? For example, people drive slow on the left on I-695, our orbital freeway and refuse to move to right most of the time yet on I-83, from Baltimore to Harrisburg, people drive fast and move to the right over 90% of the time after passing.

I can only speak for myself- but on 695 there are times you almost don't want to get too far to the right because you'll be "stuck" there as no one in the left will allow you back over to pass. That's happened to me quite a bit. I believe in lane discipline as much as the next guy, but it's a two-way street. If the faster drivers never let anyone in for a few seconds, people are not going to want to give up their lane.
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Old March 27th, 2008, 09:05 PM   #2083
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It's because MD drivers are dumb as shit.
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Old March 30th, 2008, 02:59 AM   #2084
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There's a Black Fear of Whites too. It goes both ways. You think during the deepest days of White Flight that Blacks would've been welcoming of White families that "held their ground" in a given neighborhood?

I can only hope we've passed those days, and with the growing Hispanic population maybe that'll help to bring Blacks and Whites together.
Well blacks had a reason to be afraid of whites- centuries of slavery and violent racism will make a race distrustful of another.
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Old March 31st, 2008, 07:34 AM   #2085
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I have a question about Alaska. Is it possible to drive from Fairbanks to Valdez in one day? And from Valdez to Anchorage?
It can be done but frankly there's just too much to see to want to do it. Fairbanks-Delta Junction-Glennallan-Valdez is 361 miles. you then have to backtrack to Glennallan to get to Anchorage. Valdez-Anchorage is 263 miles.
Big state, big distances !
And no divided highways. Its all wide 2 lane.

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Old March 31st, 2008, 07:56 AM   #2086
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It can be done but frankly there's just too much to see to want to do it. Fairbanks-Delta Junction-Glennallan-Valdez is 361 miles. you then have to backtrack to Glennallan to get to Anchorage. Valdez-Anchorage is 263 miles.
Big state, big distances !
And no divided highways. Its all wide 2 lane.
Well, it is four lanes interstate compatible (unmarked I-routes, in fact) in the Anchorage area, mainly the Glenn Highway (AK 1) from Palmer to Anchorage and then the Seward Highway (AK 1) through part of the city.

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Old March 31st, 2008, 09:31 AM   #2087
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It can be done but frankly there's just too much to see to want to do it. Fairbanks-Delta Junction-Glennallan-Valdez is 361 miles. you then have to backtrack to Glennallan to get to Anchorage. Valdez-Anchorage is 263 miles.
Big state, big distances !
And no divided highways. Its all wide 2 lane.
I just won't have enought time to see everything. I will spend a few days in Denali, and I will visit the arctic circle on the Dalton. Furthermore, I will also be a few days in Valdez.
Anyway, I have seen a few pics of Alaskan highways. Because it is so quiet, there will be no traffic jams, so I'm not to worried about that. I'm also aware of the distances, they are really huge!
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Old March 31st, 2008, 07:27 PM   #2088
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Well, it is four lanes interstate compatible (unmarked I-routes, in fact) in the Anchorage area, mainly the Glenn Highway (AK 1) from Palmer to Anchorage and then the Seward Highway (AK 1) through part of the city.

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Mike. you are right of course. I had forgotten about the main roads out of Anchorage. Thanks.
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Yeah, I know. I hope to make a one-day organized tour from Fairbanks to the Arctic Circle (with most of the rented cars it's not allowed to go on unpaved roads, unless you hire a 4×4). If I do that, I will of course try to make some nice pics.
Timon that clause about not driving on unpaved roads is almost entirely ignored in AK. you wouldnt get anywhere. hell visiting friends just off the main highways involves driving on gravel roads.
A few years ago I drove Fairbanks-Tok-Dawson City in a rented WHITE Ford Escort. The section from Tok to Boundary on the Yukon border is mostly
unpaved and the soil is a rich red colour.It rained most of the way for good measure. By the time I reached Dawson City the car was red up to the tops of the windows ! Luckily, I found a car wash in Dawson !
Verso the Dalton is paved I believe as far as the Yukon river bridge.
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Old March 31st, 2008, 08:41 PM   #2090
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Anyway, I didn't really have plans to leave the main routes. I will take a bus into Denali, and I will go on a van tour on the Dalton (which is btw, 100% unpaved, as far as I know), and I will make a small trip on the Prince William Sound near Valdez by boat, if that is possible, so I don't need to break that rule (btw, I will drive in a Chevrolet Aveo)
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So can anyone say for sure whether or not the U.S. as a whole has bad highways?

Also, this is a picture of I-90 in central Washington:


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Old April 6th, 2008, 07:58 PM   #2092
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US has great highway system. Of course there are worse (north east) and better (south east) parts but most countries have some worse highways.

Comparing with Europe driving in US is real fun. Roads are generally wider, people drive slower and less hectic (apart from few metropolitan areas like NYC or LA).
By comparison roads in UK are so narrow, you almost touch mirrors when passing other vehicles. Only motorways and some dual carriageway roads are wide enough.
I don't even mention expensive French or Italian motorways and narrow roads apart from motorways.
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Old April 7th, 2008, 08:35 AM   #2093
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Comparing with Europe driving in US is real fun.
Let's say it is a very subjective opinion Long distances and wide roadways do not necessarily mean "fun to drive".
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Old April 7th, 2008, 08:37 AM   #2094
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Or being stuck behind some dumbass doing 55mph or less on the left who refuses to move over.
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Old April 7th, 2008, 09:53 AM   #2095
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Let's say it is a very subjective opinion Long distances and wide roadways do not necessarily mean "fun to drive".
I think driving on the Autobahn is more fun than any road in the U.S. Of course, I'm talking about when the Autobahn has relatively low traffic.

Anyways, aren't there states that made it illegal to stay in the passing lane? I know Washington has repeatedly tried to pass the proposal but failed. Damn politicians...

Here is an excerpt from Washington law, created in 1986:

(2) Upon all roadways having two or more lanes for traffic moving in the same direction, all vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, except (a) when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, (b) when traveling at a speed greater than the traffic flow, (c) when moving left to allow traffic to merge, or (d) when preparing for a left turn at an intersection, exit, or into a private road or driveway when such left turn is legally permitted. On any such roadway, a vehicle or combination over ten thousand pounds shall be driven only in the right-hand lane except under the conditions enumerated in (a) through (d) of this subsection.

(4) It is a traffic infraction to drive continuously in the left lane of a multilane roadway when it impedes the flow of other traffic.

The law does not specifically state that it is illegal to drive in the left lane. In fact, it says it is only an infraction when it impedes the flow of other traffic. So yes doing 55 on the left can get you a ticket. However, it is not illegal to drive on the left lane when the other lanes are wide open.

Shows the stupidity of American politicians.

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Old April 9th, 2008, 03:36 AM   #2096
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I think driving on the Autobahn is more fun than any road in the U.S. Of course, I'm talking about when the Autobahn has relatively low traffic.
Low traffic on German highways it means almost never
I really don't understand all this fuzz about Autobahns. Some of them mostly renovated stretches in east Germany are great but most of the older ones (and there are plenty of them) have just two lanes in each direction,
Exits are every mile which are mostly design that you have to slow to 30km/h to be able to take them safely.
Many Motorways junction are just cloverleaf.
Trucks because of strict regulation are painfully slow and there are plenty of them.
In my opinion British motorways have much better standard. Most of them have three lanes in each direction, better profiled junctions and so on.
So if you think that driving German Autobahns is fun I propose British Motorways. Problem is that both countries have serious problem with congestion.
In US congestion mostly applies to urban areas. In Germany even relatively rural motorways carry heavy traffic. Of course there are few exception but I really prefer good Interstate than most of autobahns.
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Low traffic on German highways it means almost never
I really don't understand all this fuzz about Autobahns. Some of them mostly renovated stretches in east Germany are great but most of the older ones (and there are plenty of them) have just two lanes in each direction,
Exits are every mile which are mostly design that you have to slow to 30km/h to be able to take them safely.
Many Motorways junction are just cloverleaf.
Trucks because of strict regulation are painfully slow and there are plenty of them.
In my opinion British motorways have much better standard. Most of them have three lanes in each direction, better profiled junctions and so on.
So if you think that driving German Autobahns is fun I propose British Motorways. Problem is that both countries have serious problem with congestion.
In US congestion mostly applies to urban areas. In Germany even relatively rural motorways carry heavy traffic. Of course there are few exception but I really prefer good Interstate than most of autobahns.
Yup notice I said "of course I'm talking about when the Autobahn has relatively low traffic." When it does have low traffic (mainly only possible in rural areas, with no speed limits for some parts) then Autobahn is beyond the driving experience of any interstate. Bigger isn't always better. In some areas, I think the interstates are very badly configured. Exits on the left, cloverleaf exchanges, short distances between exits, onramps before a freeway-freeway interchange, etc.
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By KOMO Staff



SEATTLE -- Big changes are ahead on Interstate 5 in Seattle.

The Department of Transportation is planning to put in variable speed signs along the roadway which means depending on traffic flow, the signs will drop the speed limit from 60 mph to 30.

Seattle could become the first in the country to use the new speed signs which are slated to be up and running by late next year, according to the DOT. The idea came from Europe, where some countries have been using them since the 1980s.

After the new signs are installed, the speed limit could change as often as every hour. The DOT says the flexibility will help ease congestion and prevent accidents when the Alaskan Way Viaduct is taken down.

Traffic engineers also say varying the speed limit will help traffic flow better, even if it means drivers have to slow down to 30 mph.

"When you try to put too much traffic all at once through a congested area, it really brings things to a halt," said engineer Patty Rubstell. "So when you can manage traffic more efficiently and bring them in slower, you can get more through."

The signs will be installed only in the northbound lanes between Boeing Field and the I-90 interchange. The DOT plans to install 12 to 16 signs along the stretch of the roadway heading into Seattle.

The cost of the project is $25 million, making it a tough sell for some drivers.

"Slowing the traffic down to 30 is precisely the reason I sometimes take side roads, because traffic is already slowed down to 30 mph," said driver Nick Huntington.

"It seems necessary to them (officials)," said driver Steve Massee. "Every year I get property tax increases. Now I know where the money goes."

The DOT believes it's money well spent. They hope drivers will agree once they see the benefits first-hand.

"It is a lot of money, but it's a lot of signs," said Rubstell "It's new technology that needs to go in and it's a complex area through Seattle."

Highway engineers plan to implement variable speed limits to the 405 interchange with I-5 in Tukwila as well as in Lynnwood.
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