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Old May 24th, 2008, 03:34 PM   #2281
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I think the pictorial sign does take more time to understand though.
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Old May 24th, 2008, 03:38 PM   #2282
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I strongly disagree, I think it's very easy to understand; also, there's no need for writing "ONLY" on the sign.
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Old May 24th, 2008, 03:42 PM   #2283
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I think the pictorial sign does take more time to understand though.
Seen from a distance, the arrows show you what's coming up- not only lane assignments but also how many lanes there will be. The text signs look the same from a distance- you don't know if it's right or left until you get closer...it also gives the motorist ZERO information about how many lanes you'll be faced with when you get to the traffic light.
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Old May 24th, 2008, 04:12 PM   #2284
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I assumed both signs were more or less the same size. It's easier to read a short sentence in 1 second than figure out a painting. Arrows are the most easy to understand on large overheads, stuffing multiple arrows in a small sign doesn't make it more visible from a distance.
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Old May 24th, 2008, 04:14 PM   #2285
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If I get a chance, I'll take some pictures- my experience is the arrows come in to focus sooner than the worded sign does when driving around.
But also, the left lane must turn left sign doesn't give you any indication about what the other lanes will do.
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Old May 24th, 2008, 04:33 PM   #2286
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Chris, are you sure you're a "European"?
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Old May 24th, 2008, 04:35 PM   #2287
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Maybe i should change it to "Euroamerican"
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Old May 24th, 2008, 07:27 PM   #2288
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We are a nation of literacy and homogenized written language. We're not like Europe, Asia, or Africa where it has to be mainly sign-picture due to the numerous languages.

South America is like we are(as they should be, everyone can read at least basic Spanish or Portuguese). New Zealand, Australia, and Taiwan are actually a lot like the USA in signage(right down to Highway Gothic font, and god willing they will never go Clearview, as well as Big Green Signage).

I fully expect China to be a sign-language nation like the USA since everyone should be able to read Mandarin Chinese if living there for long periods of time.
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Old May 24th, 2008, 07:48 PM   #2289
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Textuatic.
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Old May 24th, 2008, 08:50 PM   #2290
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Shouldn't this signage discussion be in the 'Non-Interstate' thread?

Anyways, signage standards in the USA are in the federal Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices ('MUTCD'), available at the US DOT website.

I'm one whom prefers the image signs and there are several images that I'd like to see the USA adopt (ie, the 'windsock' and congested traffic warning signs, the blue disc with the down-pointing arrow for 'keep right/left' and the 'red circle' speed limit signs).

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Old May 24th, 2008, 09:00 PM   #2291
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This sign should be posted ever mile on our urban freeways and every 5-10 miles on rural freeways:
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Old May 24th, 2008, 09:31 PM   #2292
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We are a nation of literacy and homogenized written language. We're not like Europe, Asia, or Africa where it has to be mainly sign-picture due to the numerous languages..
Doesn't matter. Picture signs work better than written signs because it takes the brain less time to "read" what's being said. It doesn't matter how well you understand the language. I also think you'll find more picture signs in NZ, Australia and China than you do in the US.
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Old May 24th, 2008, 10:20 PM   #2293
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I was checking out Texas A LOT lately on Google Earth. I found out they had a lot of this type exits/interchanges:
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In the Netherlands, my city has this type of interchange:
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Which do you think are more effective? I think the Dutch one, you can go threequarters round (or left) within one green phase. You only have to wait once to enter the one way road (it's not a roundabout technically). Besides that, it's more comfort driving than having to wait for 3 separate traffic lights to take a left turn.
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Old May 25th, 2008, 01:21 AM   #2294
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The Texas interchange looks like a MASSIVE waste of space and does not look nice aesthetically.

I prefer the Dutch one too, but I have never seen an interchange like that in the US.
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Old May 25th, 2008, 02:17 AM   #2295
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In Texas the service roads complicate things.

In America the most common interchange is the diamond.
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Old May 25th, 2008, 10:00 AM   #2296
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The Texan version is too complicated and a waste of space.
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Old May 25th, 2008, 10:09 PM   #2297
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The Texan version is too complicated and a waste of space.
Not at all. It's very simple, and the only thing that takes up a lot of space is the right turn ramps. Surely the intent is to eventually add flyover ramps to convert this to a five-level stack; the land has almost certainly already been bought and the right-turn ramps are there as a cheap means of getting some use out of the reserved land until the interchange is completed.

I'm not a fan of the Texas way of freeway building, but let's criticize it for the right reasons.
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Old May 25th, 2008, 10:27 PM   #2298
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They use this kind of constructions too for non-freeway interchanges (or at least freeway-to-surface straat interchanges), which does make the interchange unnecessary inefficient. Space is not quite a thing they are missing Texas.
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Old May 26th, 2008, 01:28 AM   #2299
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This "Dutch" intersection I would rather call "British"
90% of British motorway junctions is in shape of round abound. I think they are the best. Way batter than anything in continental Europe or US.
Problem is cost of construction. You need two bridges in this type of junction.
But they handle busy traffic very well.
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Old May 26th, 2008, 02:01 AM   #2300
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I was checking out Texas A LOT lately on Google Earth. I found out they had a lot of this type exits/interchanges:
Is it sad that I knew right away which interchange that was? (Beltway 8/Sam Houston Tollway - Texas State Highway 288) As the poster before mentioned, yes, that is planned for a 5-level stack; however, traffic levels aren't high enough to justify the cost right now. I also think that the reason a roundabout isn't put there is because in the future, when the stack is complete, the feeder road level (which I've heard referred to as a volleyball interchange before) will not have enough traffic to justify the current expenditure on the roundabout.
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