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Old July 9th, 2008, 12:19 AM   #2581
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Insurance companies might go by that method, but it wouldn't hold up in court (at least I hope it wouldn't).

There are some speed trap cameras on the 10 in Arizona.
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Old July 9th, 2008, 12:44 AM   #2582
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Very few states allow photo enforcement of speed laws. It just strikes Americans as being un-American (relating to a Constitutional tenet of being able to face one's accuser in court), also with overtures of local corruption and the stereotypical 'Deputy Dawg' small-town speed trap. I do know that Washington, DC has some, but although I have heard of them being tried elsewhere (ie, some corrupt towns in Ohio), I don't have any other current specific examples other than in construction zones.

Nearly ALL regular photo-enforcement in the USA is at stop and go lights (what we Wisconsinites call signalized intersections) and railroad crossings.

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Atleast 20 States use red light cameras. There was also a recent study that showed accidents increase at these locations because more people are slamming on their brakes and causing rear end collisions. Yet another article I read recently stated that some cities are reducing the cameras because people are actually obeying the lights and less revenue is collected in relation to the cost of the cameras!
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Old July 9th, 2008, 01:34 AM   #2583
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It's the vehicle of the owner, thus his responsibility what happens to it. Unless you can prove your car was stolen or something like that.
No. It's the responsibility of the person DRIVING the car. He or she must obey the traffic laws. If a cop pulls them over he's not going to write a speeding ticket to the vehicle's owner.

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That is indeed the easiest way, and it saves a lot of trouble when you might have to prove who was driving, et
I sure hope they'll have to prove who was driving. Isn't that the point of justice? You can't just go around making assumptions when a law is broken; someone should have to PROVE that you did whatever you've been charged with. I don't want to get in trouble for something I haven't done just to "save a lot of trouble" for the authorities.
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Old July 9th, 2008, 01:35 AM   #2584
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Don't most insurance companies in the U.S. follow that policy? It's like if a gun is stolen from your house and you don't report it to the police as theft, then you will be responsible for it if a crime was committed with the gun.
Oh, this isn't how it should be. One thing is getting a simple fine b/c of someone else speeding with your car (though you can't be happy with it), other thing is when someone runs over a pedestrian with your car.
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Old July 9th, 2008, 06:31 AM   #2585
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Old July 9th, 2008, 07:32 AM   #2586
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Went to the park today, and running over that park is an I-90 bridge. I snapped a few not-so-good photos off of my phone. Sorry for the quality, that was about as good as it can get with the bright sun.

This I-90 bridge carries traffic on four lanes in each direction (3 general purpose + 1 HOV) and also a two-lane center reversible HOV system.. This section of the bridge is also where the center reversible 2-lane HOV begins/ends. Carrying a total of 10 lanes of traffic, the bridge also has shoulders on both sides of traffic (each direction) and a separate bicycle path on the side. I believe the bridge is relatively new compared to surrounding structures. Possibly not more than 20 years old.

First an aerial view from Google Maps.


Looking east


Looking west. Notice the person near the bridge support. It's actually a bigger bridge than it seems on the picture.


Looking west again.


Looking north at the houses.


Looking northeast about 500 feet away from the bridge.


Looking northwest.


Looking northwest again with the picknick area.

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Old July 9th, 2008, 08:06 AM   #2587
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Also, the stretch of I-90 on the island just west of that bridge earned an award for design.

Here's the Google Map location for you to explore a bit. Just follow I-90 throughout that whole island and I must say, it's quite impressive. The satellite pictures are very new, so you can see the construction activity that's going on there. The project is adding an additional HOV lane to the outer roadways, adding on to the reversibles that already exist.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...=13&iwloc=addr

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Old July 9th, 2008, 09:42 AM   #2588
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Don't most insurance companies in the U.S. follow that policy? It's like if a gun is stolen from your house and you don't report it to the police as theft, then you will be responsible for it if a crime was committed with the gun.
no, gun laws are very different from driving laws. Theres a reason there isnt a waiting period to buy a car. My uncle totaled my moms car last year and got charged with reckless driving, not my mom.
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Old July 9th, 2008, 08:32 PM   #2589
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no, gun laws are very different from driving laws. Theres a reason there isnt a waiting period to buy a car. My uncle totaled my moms car last year and got charged with reckless driving, not my mom.
I guess that's more reasonable for the owner of the car. But then your mom's insurance rate would go up still right?
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Old July 10th, 2008, 02:22 AM   #2590
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That's interesting. I'll be driving from Phoenix to Austin during the middle of this month. I can't wait. Plus I'm taking my favorite airline American Airlines out to Phoenix so it will be a fun travel trip.
I did I-10 from Florida to LA in 2001.
Anyway I hope you'll take some pictures.
When I was there they were doing some resurfacing east from El Paso. I wonder how the route looks now.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 05:25 AM   #2591
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Do they have a lot of these in the United States?
Well, they love the red light cameras here in San Diego, 'cause they put them in all over the county. They've also reconfigured many of them to snap pictures from the rear of the car rather than from the front, because a lot of drivers drive around without a front license plate (which is illegal in CA) and they couldn't give some people a ticket if they didn't have a front plate. With the new cameras, now they're guaranteed to have a visible license plate.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 09:03 AM   #2592
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Do they have a lot of these in the United States?
u see them everywhere in cali.

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Interesting stats I found about the condition of Interstate Highways throughout the United States.

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wow, california is like at the bottom of every list. how embarrassing
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Old July 10th, 2008, 09:47 AM   #2593
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In Czech, the driver must be unambiguously recognizable on the picture that is attached to the fine... otherwise the owner of the car may refuse to tell who actualy drove (if the driver was a family member).
Cool!

So you need a fake moustache and a sunglasses and you are untouchable...
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Old July 10th, 2008, 03:45 PM   #2594
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About this list of Interstate conditions: it is really bad in MA, I wonder what they call good and what they call poor.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 09:40 PM   #2595
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About this list of Interstate conditions: it is really bad in MA, I wonder what they call good and what they call poor.
Yeah same here, the only reply I ever hear when I ask that question is that "the condition is bad." I think that says something though haha.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 09:54 PM   #2596
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Old July 11th, 2008, 02:05 AM   #2597
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You, sir, just made my day.
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Old July 12th, 2008, 09:32 PM   #2598
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That's not an Interstate, though.
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Old July 12th, 2008, 09:33 PM   #2599
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No, it's US 93 between Las Vegas and Reno.
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Old July 13th, 2008, 10:02 PM   #2600
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I did I-10 from Florida to LA in 2001.
Anyway I hope you'll take some pictures.
When I was there they were doing some resurfacing east from El Paso. I wonder how the route looks now.
Wow that sounds like a great trip. I'll definitely take some pictures.
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