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Old September 1st, 2008, 03:52 AM   #2821
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Curious, wouldn't have it been better to have police metering traffic onto the freeway out so that traffic could flow at around 45 mph/70 kmh? Or is it better to let contraflow jam like this?
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Old September 1st, 2008, 05:25 AM   #2822
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Thanks! No it is not. In Washington, it kind of goes something like this:

starts out 2x4
Milepost 1: 2x3 with a middle reversible 2-lane HOV for about 8 miles
Milepost 8: 2x4 again
Milepost 15: 2x3
Milepost 20+: 2x4

Then past that section when you reach around milepost 50-60 or so, it drops down to a 2x2 for central Washington. In rural areas, there is really no need for a 2x3. I heard that in some areas, it's not even a dual carriageway, although I haven't confirmed it with anyone. I should go check out Google Maps when I have time.
I-90 just east of Lookout Pass in Montana was 4 lanes undivided, but a concrete barrier was installed that section within the past few years.

I-90 is entirely dual-carriageway now.

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Old September 1st, 2008, 10:12 AM   #2823
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Hey HAWC1506, has lane discipline improved in Seattle area ever since police start enforcing it?
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Old September 1st, 2008, 11:44 AM   #2824
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Seriously, that is a beautiful picture.
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I-90 floating bridge



Can you spot the left lane driver?


Random I-90 e/w bound shots:






(all taken by myself)
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 12:34 AM   #2825
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Lane disipline is non-existent in the Seattle area. People are still in the left lanes. Trucks are still in the passing lane. Nothing's gotten better. As far as I can see, nothing will get better. Politicians just ignore the issue, highway patrol just want money from speeding tickets, and traffic law enforcement in Washington State is still an absolute joke.

Here's an article I wrote about the issue. It talks about everything from statistics to laws and enforcement: http://www.autosavant.com/2008/08/28...-on-the-right/

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Old September 2nd, 2008, 01:38 AM   #2826
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Where these pictures are taken?
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 01:42 AM   #2827
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Lane disipline is non-existent in the Seattle area. People are still in the left lanes. Trucks are still in the passing lane. Nothing's gotten better. As far as I can see, nothing will get better. Politicians just ignore the issue, highway patrol just want money from speeding tickets, and traffic law enforcement in Washington State is still an absolute joke.

Here's an article I wrote about the issue. It talks about everything from statistics to laws and enforcement: http://www.autosavant.com/2008/08/28...-on-the-right/

Leave a comment please :]
No surprise there. I don't think anybody is going to know lane discipline unless there is there in people's mentality on this regard. And there are some people think American drivers are disciplined!
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 02:03 AM   #2828
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No surprise there. I don't think anybody is going to know lane discipline unless there is there in people's mentality on this regard. And there are some people think American drivers are disciplined!
American drivers are far from disciplined. I don't think I've seen any developed country with worse drivers than the United States.

There are countries who have drivers that follow the law and drive well. There are also countries who have drivers who don't follow the law, but drive well. Then there are countries where drivers follow the law, but aren't the best drivers. Finally we have the United States, which is a country where drivers neither drive well nor follow the law.

If the United States were to undergo Germany's drivers ed program today, I won't have any doubt that at least 30% of the drivers would be eliminated from American roads.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 02:17 AM   #2829
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I noticed both of my teenage sisters staying in the left lane of the hightway. When I asked them about it (both have passed driver’s ed), neither claimed to know what I was talking about and argued the fact with me. It’s clearly an education issue.
So some Americans don't even know the left lane is overtake-only? I wonder how many that would be (%).
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 02:25 AM   #2830
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Which countries have you been?
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 03:09 AM   #2831
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Where these pictures are taken?
These were taken near Vantage, Washington. Here is a more complete view if you'd like.

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Old September 2nd, 2008, 03:27 AM   #2832
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Which countries have you been?
UK, France, Japan, Taiwan (developing country with some of the most skilled drivers, although they don't follow the rules), U.S., Canada. Looking forward to Germany and Italy in a few years.

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So some Americans don't even know the left lane is overtake-only? I wonder how many that would be (%).
Not only some. Most don't even know the left lane is for overtake only. The law is clearly stated in the drivers manual, but it's not practiced, nor is it known by the majority of the drivers.

In the rural areas though, people do keep right except to pass. Although I suspect it is more of people being courteous rather than obeying the law. There are signs that say 'keep right except to pass' though. If you look at the picture above posted by Grayproduct, you'll notice that trucks stick to the right side of the road.

Generally, people who live in rural areas know the law better than people in urban areas, which is understandable because traffic volume is so low in rural areas. The argument is that in urban areas, there is too much congestion to enforce the law. Well what about the 16 hours of the day that are NOT congested? People are still driving in the passing lane when there is no congestion.

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Old September 2nd, 2008, 03:37 AM   #2833
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Oh and btw, welcome to the thread Grayproduct :]
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 05:28 AM   #2834
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Oh and btw, welcome to the thread Grayproduct :]
Thanks! I'm glad to be in the company of intelligent individuals.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 11:55 AM   #2835
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And there are some people think American drivers are disciplined!
Actually, I hear it all the time from people visiting the states.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 12:15 PM   #2836
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Sometimes they're quite dangerous and reckless, sometimes they're good. Personally I think Dutch drivers drive a little more careful
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 02:26 PM   #2837
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Nice view of the I-10 west of Baton Rouge, LA.

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Old September 2nd, 2008, 02:57 PM   #2838
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Generally, people who live in rural areas know the law better than people in urban areas, which is understandable because traffic volume is so low in rural areas. The argument is that in urban areas, there is too much congestion to enforce the law. Well what about the 16 hours of the day that are NOT congested? People are still driving in the passing lane when there is no congestion.
I'd say people in cities are lazy to change lanes all the time (beside some/most of them not even knowing about the law).
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 08:49 PM   #2839
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Actually, I hear it all the time from people visiting the states.
They haven't driven much than. Come drive to MD and see how "disciplined" drivers are.
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Old September 3rd, 2008, 05:07 AM   #2840
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I'd say people in cities are lazy to change lanes all the time (beside some/most of them not even knowing about the law).
Ohhhhhh no they are not lazy to change lanes. I drove today during rush hour and everyone was weaving in and out. Especially during exits. If you leave enough space between you and the car in front of you, chances are someone is going to cut in for no reason at all.

I did notice though on State Route 520, *many* people keep right except to pass. It's two lanes with the carpool lane on the right (which is a bad idea and causes lots of uneccessary weaving). Truck traffic is restricted to only the right lane (general purpose lane), so even though traffic was rather heavy, everyone could drive above the speed limit at around 65-70 mph. I was impressed. Things would be even better if the carpool lane was just a shoulder that will open to carpool traffic during rush hours. I think that is the way it should be for all highways, instead of having an additional lane on the left or right.
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