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Old November 8th, 2008, 08:57 PM   #3241
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A parkway is more an historic thing. They were constructed from the 1920's (sometimes before) as scenic recreational routes in and around New York City. They are now freeway-grade commuter routes. However, some parkways always remained scenic and recreational in rural parts of the country.
Thanks, Now it's clear. It must be awesome to drive in that beautiful scenic roads. I use to drive in Texas, but I've never seen scenic routes like those parkways of the images. I drove once on Wurzbach Pkwy in San Antonio, but it was more like an incomplete freeway than a Parkway like those in the images all you guys posted.
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Old November 8th, 2008, 10:47 PM   #3242
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Peachtree City Parkway:

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OMG, that's so not a real parkway. They just call it that because it sounds better. It's nicer in Peachtree City itself, though. But then, the whole city is nice if you like that sort of thing.

It's not as hideous as "Cobb Parkway," though

The Ronald Reagan Parkway is a real parkway, right down to the no-trucks restriction. Here are some photos. These are taken from http://www.southeastroads.com/ronald...n_parkway.html -- here's the Google Maps link. The photos are taken headed westbound.

This road is only about three miles from my house, but I still haven't gotten around to posting the millions of other road photos I've taken, so these will have to do.





As you can see here, this parkway wasn't designed with space for adding more lanes. It's fairly heavily traveled (30,000 vpd or so), but never congested since it's all but physically impossible for too many cars to get on it at any one time.


The original concept for Ronald Reagan Parkway was for a mostly at-grade road with a grade separation for topographical reasons at Five forks Trickum Road. but as the concept developed, interchanges were added until it ended up as fully controlled access. At one point I asked about where the various interchanges would be and I was told that the intersection at US 29 (photo below) would definitely be at grade. Well, it isn't, is it? Once construction began in earnest I saw why the US 29 crossing was the last to get an interchange: an immense amount of blasting was required.
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Old November 8th, 2008, 11:20 PM   #3243
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Pretty. If a parkway is freeway-standard, is there the "freeway entrance" sign at its entrances?
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Old November 9th, 2008, 03:17 AM   #3244
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Pretty. If a parkway is freeway-standard, is there the "freeway entrance" sign at its entrances?
That only really exists on the West Coast, so most likely, no.
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Old November 9th, 2008, 05:37 AM   #3245
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That only really exists on the West Coast, so most likely, no.
Correct.

The Reagan was originally open to pedestrians and cyclists, but within a week of its opening a well-regarded high school principal was struck and killed while cycling there, so non-motorized traffic was banned.

But once a year it's closed for "Run The Reagan," a popular footrace. The parkway is almost exactly 10k long.
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Old November 9th, 2008, 03:46 PM   #3246
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The Reagan was originally open to pedestrians and cyclists, but within a week of its opening a well-regarded high school principal was struck and killed while cycling there, so non-motorized traffic was banned..
Wow. I don't know much about this parkway, but looking at those pictures I can't imagine allowing pedestrians and bikes on there. Where were they supposed to be? On those shoulders?- that's insane. If that's what they wanted, why didn't the build a parallel paved trail for bikes and walkers?
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Old November 9th, 2008, 05:00 PM   #3247
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Pretty. If a parkway is freeway-standard, is there the "freeway entrance" sign at its entrances?
I don't think there is a nationwide standard for parkway signage or any other specifics like there is for interstate highways. Each state might have a set of standards for parkways, but I kinda doubt that one too. The BRP has nice entrance signs - the blue ones. There are a variety of other sign types to inform drivers that they are on the BRP.

I'm not so sure that the Blue Ridge Parkway has intersections with local roads as someone said earlier. That is the purpose of many of the hundreds of stone bridges along the Parkway - they cross above existing roads rather than intersecting them.

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Old November 9th, 2008, 06:05 PM   #3248
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"Parkway" is a very popular roadway designation in Atlanta. The only requirement is that the road must be among the ugliest and cluttered in town. There are a handful of Atlanta parkways that are pleasant looking (Freedom, South Fulton, Camp Creek, Reagan, Langford, etc), but I would say the majority of them are hideous.

Streets with bad reputations are sometimes renamed ________ Parkway to try and improve the street's image.

Freedom Parkway
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Cobb Parkway
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Langford Parkway (formerly Lakewood Freeway)
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University Parkway (Atlanta to Athens)
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Metropolitan Parkway (formerly Stuart Ave)
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Sugarloaf Parkway
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Riverside Parkway
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Cynthia McKinney Parkway
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Old November 9th, 2008, 07:57 PM   #3249
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Nice. Aren't parkways supposed to be beautiful by default? (park is beautiful)
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Old November 9th, 2008, 08:07 PM   #3250
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Nice. Aren't parkways supposed to be beautiful by default? (park is beautiful)
They SHOULD be...but I guess if an old dirt road wants to be called a parkway, it can be.
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Old November 9th, 2008, 08:42 PM   #3251
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They SHOULD be...but I guess if an old dirt road wants to be called a parkway, it can be.
Thanks for your elucidating post-- I wish I'd done it.

Freedom Parkway is also a true parkway-- mostly grade separated, no trucks, no access to abutting properties except free-flow access (on the left!) to the Carter Center, and a continuous parallel path for cyclists and pedestrians. It was built on abandoned freeway/tollway ROW, and after decades of delay, the excess ROW has been developed as a park.

There are actually two Riverside Parkways in metro Atlanta, the one in your photo in south Cobb and another in Gwinnett, neither of which is a proper parkway. A semi-interesting footnote: the one in Gwinnett has an interchange with the GA 316 freeway, but IIRC I've seen two planning studies involving 316 that don't even acknowledge that the road or the interchange exists.

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Wow. I don't know much about this parkway, but looking at those pictures I can't imagine allowing pedestrians and bikes on there. Where were they supposed to be? On those shoulders?- that's insane. If that's what they wanted, why didn't the build a parallel paved trail for bikes and walkers?
Money, mostly. There are quite a few bridges that such a path would have to cross, and adding extra width wouldn't be cheap. Plus densities are low-- cyclists can commute from the near eastside to downtown via Freedom Parkway's trails, but there would be little demand for nonrecreational cycling in the Reagan corridor even if it were possible. Plus, the ROW is relatively narrow and often snakes behind preexisting subdivisions. Having a public bike trail right in suburbanites' back yards wouldn't be a very appealing idea from a security/privacy point of view.

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Old November 9th, 2008, 09:06 PM   #3252
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Thanks for the answers. Parkways are an interesting idea, I must say, it gives you a good idea as to where you can find scenic roads (even up to freeway standards) easily (at least they should be). We only have so-called 'tourist roads', but only where they are in (almost) exclusively tourist means, so there's very few of them. Parkways are often transit roads.
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Old November 10th, 2008, 12:44 AM   #3253
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Having a public bike trail right in suburbanites' back yards wouldn't be a very appealing idea from a security/privacy point of view.
That's too bad. I wouldn't think a bike path would be any worse than a street when it comes to privacy.
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Old November 10th, 2008, 03:32 AM   #3254
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Thanks for the answers. Parkways are an interesting idea, I must say, it gives you a good idea as to where you can find scenic roads (even up to freeway standards) easily (at least they should be). We only have so-called 'tourist roads', but only where they are in (almost) exclusively tourist means, so there's very few of them. Parkways are often transit roads.
Actually, I don't think they're such a great idea. The Ronald Reagan Parkway is an extreme example of the problem with parkways: Motorists get a quick and scenic route to where they're going, but trucks are stuck with alternates that are slow, circuitous, congested, and/or relatively unsafe. Here's that Google Maps link again-- look what a pain it would be to get from one end of the Reagan to the other by truck. Meanwhile, it encourages greater auto use in an area where levels of auto travel per capita are already ridiculously high.

All in all, I think a toll road open to all traffic and elaborately equipped with more-attractive-than-usual noise/visual barriers would have been a better solution. But it never would've sold politically, so there you go.
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Old November 10th, 2008, 06:25 AM   #3255
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You obviously didn't drive on Seattle's motorways during the so-called "off-peak" hours They can be jammed like hell at any random time of the day. Tim Eyman argued that since everyone pays taxes, HOV lanes must be open for everyone. He wrote that he felt bad for all those lonely drivers sitting in a traffic jam next to the free fast lane used by those lucky bastards who managed to scramble an extra person. Yeah, lonely drivers' rights were violated Well, welcome to the 21st century. Waste is discouraged and conservation is encouraged. That's why we have HOV lanes.

I-985 would also divert the funds from public transit projects to widen motorways and synchronise the traffic lights. Again, it's a 21st century in which many countries are switching from individual driving to public transport, and the Washington government is intended to move along the progress. Diverting money from public transit to encourage driving is a giant step backward. Plus, Eymans' plans would still end up with $600 million deficit.

Chris, it seems that you don't favour public transportation and quite like to engage in rather long distance joy rides, so you may not get the point I am trying to make.
He hasn't drove on any of motorways in the US. If Chris thinks drivers from Wallonia region of Belgium are bad and scary, just wait till he sees US drivers in suburban Baltimore or most places.
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Old November 10th, 2008, 09:27 AM   #3256
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So all parkways are prohibited for trucks?
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Old November 11th, 2008, 06:58 AM   #3258
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There is no such thing as a specific classification for all parkways in the US; they're really just a name. In New York, they're all grade-separated and access controlled (what we'd call a freeway elsewhere in the country). Meanwhile, in Georgia, they're just a nice name for a street. Same as in Texas, where usually they're a divided highway.

The US is different from Europe in that there aren't legally defined classes of highways beyond speed control. Even I-180 in Cheyenne, Wyoming is simply a boulevard.
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Yeah, that took my attention. I had heard about parkways being 'scenic routes', but in Georgia various main streets are parkways (like the Peach Tree City pkwy). Why have they done that? Do they consider these towns as 'scenic'?
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Land developers often lobby for that to boost the price of the property they developed. People like living off a "parkway" better than just some plain-old road.
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