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Old March 13th, 2009, 08:51 AM   #3961
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It is a bit sad and counter-intuitive to see de-metrication being done using stimulus money. I thought stimulus bill should promote progressive solutions and innovations but not finance steps backward in time

On a side note, I see more and more 1-litre bottles on the shelves of American supermarkets, not to mention almost all smaller quantities are sold in 0,5 litres and not 20 US fl. oz. as before So many Americans drink from these 0,5-litre bottles everyday and yet complain that they have no idea how much a half-litre is. "Hi, I would like to buy that 16,9 oz bottle, please"
Frankly(and I know it's as much of a pipe dream as you guys think in the USA going metric), but I want to see the day when the EU, Africa, and much of Asia says good bye to the metric system and comes back to the Imperial system.

Metric makes too much sense. It's boring because it's 1 size fits all in the prefixes. With Imperial, you actually have to learn and have a comprehension across multiple sensories to understand it. Nothing boring about that.
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Old March 13th, 2009, 09:39 AM   #3962
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It's probably not boring, but it's more difficult and there are much more countries that use the metric system, so IMO it's not a good idea.
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Old March 13th, 2009, 03:08 PM   #3963
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Frankly(and I know it's as much of a pipe dream as you guys think in the USA going metric), but I want to see the day when the EU, Africa, and much of Asia says good bye to the metric system and comes back to the Imperial system.

Metric makes too much sense. It's boring because it's 1 size fits all in the prefixes. With Imperial, you actually have to learn and have a comprehension across multiple sensories to understand it. Nothing boring about that.
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Old March 13th, 2009, 11:02 PM   #3964
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I want to see the day when the EU, Africa, and much of Asia says good bye to the metric system and comes back to the Imperial system.
I apologise for being dull, but this is a common misconception among Americans that the entire world was using the Imperial system before they switched to metric system If every country switched back to their respective system of measurements, then it would indeed break this boredom, hands down.
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Old March 14th, 2009, 12:55 AM   #3965
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This whole stimulus package is no more than a lot of people's personal agendas, rather than really a stimulus to the economy.
Your lack of understanding of American politics and current events comes through again. Money for transportation is distributed to the states, who then figure out how they will spend it. So the stimulus money is allocated into certain areas, but the exact projects it will go to is determined by state, city, and county governments.

There are no "personal" agendas in the stimulus.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 01:55 AM   #3966
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Your lack of understanding of American politics and current events comes through again. Money for transportation is distributed to the states, who then figure out how they will spend it. So the stimulus money is allocated into certain areas, but the exact projects it will go to is determined by state, city, and county governments.

There are no "personal" agendas in the stimulus.
True. Its all the control of the MPO's and what they want. Thats American decentralized government for you.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 09:47 PM   #3967
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MODOT wants to make a Diverging Diamond Intersection along I-44.









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Old March 21st, 2009, 10:08 PM   #3968
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and why is that any better?
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Old March 21st, 2009, 10:10 PM   #3969
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Less traffic lights; less waiting times. But the idea is a bit too unorthodox in my opinion.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 11:16 PM   #3970
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Is that the same as a SPUI?

EDIT: No I guess it's not. It has traffic crossing over to the other side of the road. Something like that was proposed one place here in Ohio, but rejected overwhelmingly by the public.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 11:25 PM   #3971
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as i see it, either build a proper highway interchange with no interruptions or use the classic types
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 06:24 AM   #3972
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For the past several years, WisDOT (State of Wisconsin Department of Transportation) policy has been to consider roundabouts at all intersections on state highways where signals or four-way STOP signs are otherwise warranted that are planned to be built, substantially rebuilt or upgraded, including at freeway interchange ramp intersections.

They are appearing all over the state en-masse as a result.

If I were at MoDOT, I'd do the same at that one - that proposal looks like a dis-orienting mess in the making.

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Old March 22nd, 2009, 07:24 AM   #3973
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For the past several years, WisDOT (State of Wisconsin Department of Transportation) policy has been to consider roundabouts at all intersections on state highways where signals or four-way STOP signs are otherwise warranted that are planned to be built, substantially rebuilt or upgraded, including at freeway interchange ramp intersections.

They are appearing all over the state en-masse as a result.

If I were at MoDOT, I'd do the same at that one - that proposal looks like a dis-orienting mess in the making.

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At first it does, but the more I look at it the more sense that intersection makes. I'd like to see one in action.

What round-about highway ramp ends are we talking about? I've only seen 1 or 2, both just North of Sheboygan off of I-43.
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 07:28 AM   #3974
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and why is that any better?
Traffic coming off the freeway doesn't cross the road at any point, it simply merges with traffic without stopping. That means traffic simply crossing the freeway doesn't have to wait at the lights for any protected turns, keeping wait times short and not letting traffic build up.

It's pretty ingenious actually.
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 10:51 AM   #3975
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Your lack of understanding of American politics and current events comes through again. Money for transportation is distributed to the states, who then figure out how they will spend it. So the stimulus money is allocated into certain areas, but the exact projects it will go to is determined by state, city, and county governments.

There are no "personal" agendas in the stimulus.
Stimulus money is allocated all over not just for transportation projects. There are personal agendas you better believe it. For example a senator X from Indiana can easily include a proposal to benefit a certain industry which happens to be heavily based in his native state. It has less to do with efficient and effective spending to boost the economy but more to do with securing his re-election.

The stimulus package is full of pork barrel spending and even Indiana is getting in on the action
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 02:30 PM   #3976
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MODOT wants to make a Diverging Diamond Intersection along I-44.
It is not just "wants." Bids were opened on the relevant contract more than a month ago (it was call number 801 in the letting of February 20, 2009) and at this point, I think the contract may already have been awarded.

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For the past several years, WisDOT (State of Wisconsin Department of Transportation) policy has been to consider roundabouts at all intersections on state highways where signals or four-way STOP signs are otherwise warranted that are planned to be built, substantially rebuilt or upgraded, including at freeway interchange ramp intersections.

They are appearing all over the state en-masse as a result.

If I were at MoDOT, I'd do the same at that one - that proposal looks like a dis-orienting mess in the making.
Roundabouts work only if the opposing flows are reasonably well balanced, which is not the case at this interchange. MoDOT considered a SPUI conversion but this would have entailed replacing the bridge (not just widening it) and the construction period would have been much longer, with more disruption to traffic. The DDI is, on paper at least, a better fit with MoDOT's current philosophy of "Practical Design": meeting the requirements at least cost and with least disruption to traffic.

MoDOT has at least one other DDI in the works, as part of a much larger project to build a flyover DC at what is currently the cloverleaf interchange between I-270 and SR 364 in metropolitan St. Louis. Preliminary plans are already available for this contract and bids will be opened probably in May or June.

Construction plans for both the Springfield and St. Louis DDIs are available for public viewing. Go to MoDOT's E-planroom, choose "Enter public planroom," and navigate to the relevant contracts--the I-270/SR 364 job is at the top of the first page ("N/A" given as call number) while the Springfield DDI is on the tenth page (call 801). (Copies can be downloaded, for free, but to do this you need to have a vendor account with both MoDOT and the Indoxservices planroom.)
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 02:55 PM   #3977
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 03:11 PM   #3978
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About that interchange, why don't they build roundabouts???
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 05:51 PM   #3979
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I need to correct my last post. The I-44/SR 13 DDI in Springfield was actually call number 801 in MoDOT's November 21, 2008 letting. (The other contract I identified in my last post is actually for the US 60/US 65 interchange in Springfield.) Unfortunately, construction plans for the Springfield DDI are no longer available online.

I checked the bridge plans and it turns out that the bridge which carries SR 13 over I-44 is not even being widened. In fact, it is being left as is except for replacement of the median (including installation of concrete barriers and a glare screen), a 2 1/4" low-slump concrete deck overlay, and concrete repairs to the superstructure, which is a voided slab. The bridge was originally built in 1960.
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 08:58 PM   #3980
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At first it does, but the more I look at it the more sense that intersection makes. I'd like to see one in action.

What round-about highway ramp ends are we talking about? I've only seen 1 or 2, both just North of Sheboygan off of I-43.
WisDOT is planning roundabouts at EVERY side street interchange along US 41 and WI 29 in the Green Bay-De Pere area (24 roundabouts in total), most US 41 interchanges in the Oshkosh area (including 4 of them at US 41/Breezewood-Bell in Neenah) - work to begin this year, several with the planned WI 26 bypass freeway at Watertown, etc. They are going in all over the state.

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