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Old May 2nd, 2009, 05:45 PM   #4141
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I don't want to start Obama bashing here, but I have to just remind you - this whole mess that he inherited is not of his making so maybe we should give him a chance to do something about it and then judge?
I love the term "inherited". Some just have a tough time buying into that when it was snickered that the early 2000s recession was "inherited" because of the Matrix economy that was allowed to flurish in the late 90s that let dot com companies run wild and major corporations like Enron, Worldcom, Global Crossing, and Healthsouth cook the books with little true oversight. Nothing about those companies or their numbers were real, just like nothing with the housing bubble and subprime bubble's numbers were real....until the house of cards fell.

It's gotta go both ways.
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Old May 4th, 2009, 12:14 AM   #4142
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The recession of the early 2000s was a blip on the radar compared to what is happening now. Unemployment peaked at around 6.5 % in 2003, it is nearly 9% now. We weren't facing the bankruptcy of the financial and automotive sectors in in the early 200os either.
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Old May 4th, 2009, 05:54 PM   #4143
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Atlanta stop-and-go traffic. Doesn't seem too bad though for such a large metropolitan area with a relatively limited freeway network. (the existing freeways are huge though)
In the last ten seconds or so of this video you can see something interesting: a new offramp is being built to serve 17th street, and the existing retaining wall on the right edge of the through lanes is being modified to support the left edge of the new ramp. The wall has been saw-cut at the desired dimension below the grade of the future ramp, and below the cut the wall is lighter in color because the slurry hasn't been cleaned off. Later on, the upper part of the wall-- dark in the video-- will be removed. north of there, the new ramp will be supported on bents spanning the onramp to I-75 northbound. The columns are also visible at the very end of the video.

A new retaining wall has been built behind the new ramp and the old one is being completely removed south of the beginning of the new ramp.
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Old May 5th, 2009, 02:12 AM   #4144
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I just got back from California yesterday. The highways are horrible!
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Old May 5th, 2009, 03:56 AM   #4145
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I just got back from California yesterday. The highways are horrible!
Depends on where you are.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 01:35 AM   #4146
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Depends on where you are.
I was around Anaheim. I'm really not sure if it's poor construction or old age. The concrete feels so uneven it could probably be decades old, but then it doesn't look all that bad compared to 40-year-old PCC in Seattle.

I guess a possibility is that Californian concrete last longer because they don't use studded tires. But it's still uneven, at least around the areas I travelled in.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 06:27 AM   #4147
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there are some really fantastic shots of Los Angeles' freeways here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...20#post4233720
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Old May 6th, 2009, 09:43 AM   #4148
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I was around Anaheim. I'm really not sure if it's poor construction or old age. The concrete feels so uneven it could probably be decades old, but then it doesn't look all that bad compared to 40-year-old PCC in Seattle.

I guess a possibility is that Californian concrete last longer because they don't use studded tires. But it's still uneven, at least around the areas I travelled in.
Well Anaheim around Disneyland was pretty recently renovated and is in good shape. Most unevenness that I experience is with bridges at their ends. It's definitely not poor construction. Now right at the border of Buena Park (just north of the 91) the old rickety road kicks in up through Norwalk and the like, and that to me is as bad as highways get in California, but Anaheim seems good.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 11:55 AM   #4149
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there are some really fantastic shots of Los Angeles' freeways here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...20#post4233720
Wow, amazing! That's what it looks like when an 18-million people metropolitan area goes to work.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 07:28 PM   #4150
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Yes, great shots!

No question, L.A. is the freeway capital of the world. However, one thing stands out...a lot of the infrastructure here, especially many of the on-off ramps look to be aging. In many cases probably the original 1960's construction. I wonder how much this is going to be an issue in the next couple of decades.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 04:16 AM   #4151
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I was around Anaheim. I'm really not sure if it's poor construction or old age. The concrete feels so uneven it could probably be decades old, but then it doesn't look all that bad compared to 40-year-old PCC in Seattle.

I guess a possibility is that Californian concrete last longer because they don't use studded tires. But it's still uneven, at least around the areas I travelled in.
The climate in SoCal is extremely favorable to long road surface life. Not so much in Washington State with all its rain
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Old May 7th, 2009, 04:23 AM   #4152
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Like most States, CA has good freeways and bad freeways. Kind of depends on when the last major overhauls have taken place. My concern about CA is the economy is so bad there that they will see more of the bad and less of the good as the years past. Perhaps the stimulus projects will help, but as I mentioned in an earlier post, there is a lot of work to do in CA, with many freeway interchanges that have not been overhauled for 40-50 years.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 06:12 AM   #4153
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Wow, amazing! That's what it looks like when an 18-million people metropolitan area goes to work.
That photo thread should put to rest FOREVER the assertion that freeways are an efficient form of transportation and that cities designed around the freeway are easy to travel through.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 06:40 AM   #4154
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I bet you ChrisZwolle's dream is for every city in Europe to be build around cars and have lots of 2X5 freeways crisscross each other like in LA.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 07:25 AM   #4155
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First rebuilt section of I-275 in Tampa, FL, traffic wasn't too bad as it was right before rush hour. It's not complete yet as the 4th lane isn't open yet and the other side still needs to be rebuilt, but finally building something that was needed 30 years ago.











Odd site seeing for the first time in many many years the North bound I-275 empty!




















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Old May 7th, 2009, 09:48 AM   #4156
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I bet you ChrisZwolle's dream is for every city in Europe to be build around cars and have lots of 2X5 freeways crisscross each other like in LA.
Actually I'm more a fan of the Spanish way.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 08:59 PM   #4157
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Just curious what is the spanish way? And I think any western European paradigm for transportation sounds good to me. It's not impossible in America, just expensive.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 09:00 PM   #4158
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Spain = plenty of motorway + extensive subway + huge HSR.

Actually, any country that REALLY invests in infrastructure.
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Old May 8th, 2009, 12:25 AM   #4159
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I thought you hate mass transit and such. I agree with on the other thread that we need great mobility, but you could achieve it with both automobiles and mass transit.
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I thought you hate mass transit and such. I agree with on the other thread that we need great mobility, but you could achieve it with both automobiles and mass transit.
No, I don't hate mass transit, I hate it when it's used as an excuse to do nothing about the road network.
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