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Old May 13th, 2009, 10:08 PM   #4181
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I think the American logic involved with driving is this: If you can't read the text on the signs, you're not smart enough to safely operate a motor vehicle and you shouldn't be on the highway anyway. (The whole world speaks English, doesn't it?)
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Old May 13th, 2009, 10:52 PM   #4182
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Part of reading text has to do with pure visibility. Text font and size are major factors there. that is why there are such stringent specifications on sign text. pictograms probably attempt to do away with that challenge. it's more a matter of how well you can see than whether or not you are literate. people know what stop signs look like because of the color and shape, not the word on them.
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Old May 14th, 2009, 01:54 AM   #4183
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I think the American logic involved with driving is this: If you can't read the text on the signs, you're not smart enough to safely operate a motor vehicle and you shouldn't be on the highway anyway. (The whole world speaks English, doesn't it?)
I don't know I mean if I saw a sign on a road with big, bold, numbers what the hell else is it supposed to mean? When I drove in Europe I knew that a sign with a red circle and a number meant the speed limit, so more like if you can't understand the purpose of the sign you are an idiot.
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Old May 14th, 2009, 03:31 AM   #4184
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The kind of logic that makes sense for a small country like the Netherlands that has lots of Germans or French or whatever visiting who can't read and don't care to read Dutch signs so there have to be picture signs instead, doesn't make much sense for the U.S., a nation with 300 million people most of whom speak English (and all of whom are generally supposed to be know English). An English sign needs no interpretation, rather than a picture sign, which may force interpretations.
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Old May 14th, 2009, 08:08 AM   #4185
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The kind of logic that makes sense for a small country like the Netherlands that has lots of Germans or French or whatever visiting who can't read and don't care to read Dutch signs so there have to be picture signs instead, doesn't make much sense for the U.S., a nation with 300 million people most of whom speak English (and all of whom are generally supposed to be know English). An English sign needs no interpretation, rather than a picture sign, which may force interpretations.
Not if you have uniformity in signs and people are taught those uniform meanings when they are learning to drive.
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Old May 14th, 2009, 08:38 AM   #4186
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The whole argument that if everyone in a country speaks the same language then there is no need for pictorial signs does not stand any critique. Why would the entire Soviet Union whose citizens spoke Russian agree to use international signage system? And what about South America where almost everyone speaks Spanish (except Brazil)? An inability of certain people to memorise a limited number of pictographs would indicate either extreme retardation or extreme laziness. Either one, it would not make a good driver for sure.
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Old May 14th, 2009, 09:30 AM   #4187
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Canadian standards avoid use of words/text on signs whenever possible.

I think the USA is starting to adopt some canadian signage. I never see a yellow diamond warning sign with text here in Canada. Always a symbol or picture on it.
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Old May 14th, 2009, 02:42 PM   #4188
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Americain roads

From what i have seen the americain road networks are in dire need of some nice european engeneering. to get rid of the horrible cracks, that are in the roads
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Old May 14th, 2009, 07:04 PM   #4189
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Canadian standards avoid use of words/text on signs whenever possible.

I think the USA is starting to adopt some canadian signage. I never see a yellow diamond warning sign with text here in Canada. Always a symbol or picture on it.
In British Columbia, "Merge" was the only textual warning sign I saw. In the USA (at least in Western states) this sign is not used at all.
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Old May 14th, 2009, 10:16 PM   #4190
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In British Columbia, "Merge" was the only textual warning sign I saw. In the USA (at least in Western states) this sign is not used at all.
That's one of the pictorial signs we use in VA. Most yellow-diamond text signs are ones such as "School bus stop ahead" (only in rural areas with curvy roads), "Bump" or "Dip". All others are street/destination names, "reduced speed ahead" or "Speed Limit ##" brown tourist-destination signs, and construction-oriented orange signs.
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Old May 15th, 2009, 01:21 AM   #4191
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Red works a lot better for speed limits. It's more visible than black and white. The U.S. has two things it needs to accomplish:

1. Convert to the metric system.

2. Adopt International signage.
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Old May 15th, 2009, 01:33 AM   #4192
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Metric conversion definitely priority one.
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Old May 15th, 2009, 01:33 AM   #4193
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Red works a lot better for speed limits. It's more visible than black and white. The U.S. has two things it needs to accomplish:

1. Convert to the metric system.

2. Adopt International signage.
The make them that way so they are harder to spot so they can write more tickets, I thought that would be a no brainer. I agree with converting to the metric system except for volume measurements, buying everything in liters or mm's would be a ripoff. I don't think adopting international signage is an issue, our signs work fine for our country.
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Old May 15th, 2009, 02:32 AM   #4194
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The whole argument that if everyone in a country speaks the same language then there is no need for pictorial signs does not stand any critique. Why would the entire Soviet Union whose citizens spoke Russian agree to use international signage system?
That was never the case in the USSR, despite what the gov't claimed.

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And what about South America where almost everyone speaks Spanish (except Brazil)?
I dunno, illiteracy? Why should America seek to imitate 3rd world countries anyway?

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An inability of certain people to memorise a limited number of pictographs would indicate either extreme retardation or extreme laziness. Either one, it would not make a good driver for sure.
So are we going to round up all 200 million American motorists into forced pictograph reeducation camps before they can drive again? This isn't your native Germany. Why fix what isn't broke?

If you're so upset about how things here aren't like how they were back home, an easier and more agreeable solution is to ship you back.
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Old May 15th, 2009, 02:37 AM   #4195
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Metric conversion definitely priority one.
No need.
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Old May 15th, 2009, 05:27 AM   #4196
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Why would the entire Soviet Union whose citizens spoke Russian agree to use international signage system?
Come on, you know this as well as anyone. The entire history of Russia since Peter the Great (not necessarily the inner frontier nations) is an obsession with being seen as "European". Like it or not, the "international" signs are strictly European signs that were spread worldwide because of Europe's imperial influence in the first half of the 20th Century.

Pictorial signs are very useful, but it's absurd to think that the European standard is the unquestionably best standard in the world, much as it is to think the same of the US standard.
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Old May 15th, 2009, 05:38 AM   #4197
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So are we going to round up all 200 million American motorists into forced pictograph reeducation camps before they can drive again? This isn't your native Germany. Why fix what isn't broke?
He is from Russia.
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Old May 15th, 2009, 04:54 PM   #4198
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The whole argument that if everyone in a country speaks the same language then there is no need for pictorial signs does not stand any critique. Why would the entire Soviet Union whose citizens spoke Russian agree to use international signage system? And what about South America where almost everyone speaks Spanish (except Brazil)? An inability of certain people to memorise a limited number of pictographs would indicate either extreme retardation or extreme laziness. Either one, it would not make a good driver for sure.
US system of words instead of signs is easier to understand and remember than signs. Though yes - it does create some difficulties for those who don't speak English. But after all - driving is a privilege, not a right so if you start driving just learn a few words and you will be OK. it is not like you will have a huge text on the signs.
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That was never the case in the USSR, despite what the gov't claimed.
I was born in Soviet Union, and I think I know better about people's literacy (particularly, the ability to speak Russian) in former Soviet Republics. Let's put it this way - if certain group from Soviet Union did not speak Russian, then they probably did not have many roads to worry about the traffic signs.

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I dunno, illiteracy? Why should America seek to imitate 3rd world countries anyway?
Almost the entire world - developed countries as well as third world countries - is using the international traffic signage. So, I don't think literacy was taken into consideration at all.

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So are we going to round up all 200 million American motorists into forced pictograph reeducation camps before they can drive again? This isn't your native Germany. Why fix what isn't broke?
Slowly replacing textual road signs as they age with newer pictorial ones while requiring new motorists to memorize them is as far from your exaggerations as it can get.

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If you're so upset about how things here aren't like how they were back home, an easier and more agreeable solution is to ship you back.
Oh come on, dude You start sounding like a broken record with this kindergarten argument. Especially, when it comes from a foreign-born American patriot. For the last time, I will try to explain my position. I consider America to be my home, and I want it to excel in any way possible. Metrication and switching to international signage system are just two ways that will help the USA to excel. You may disagree with me, but at least you can start acting like adult.
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Old May 15th, 2009, 09:13 PM   #4200
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US system of words instead of signs is easier to understand and remember than signs. Though yes - it does create some difficulties for those who don't speak English. But after all - driving is a privilege, not a right so if you start driving just learn a few words and you will be OK. it is not like you will have a huge text on the signs.
I am not arguing about the ability of foreigners to read a few words in English. I think that international signs that use pictographs instead of text are better because they provide for better visibility and faster recognition. I am also not proposing to start using red triangles instead of yellow diamonds. All I am saying is that replacing words with pictographs would only produce benefits and virtually no drawbacks
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