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Old May 18th, 2009, 02:20 AM   #4221
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Hmmm what's wrong with clearview? I think it's easy to read and very clean.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 02:53 AM   #4222
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Iīm sorry guys ... but I donīt understand yet whatīs the deal ... Whatīs different now ? please someone tell me ..
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Old May 18th, 2009, 06:27 AM   #4223
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Slightly different font, that the gov't spent billions to develop plus countless more billions to now roll out.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 02:53 PM   #4224
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You guys have a lot more money to burn on cops doing radar traps. When I cross over in Canada , I can tell the difference. I can gun it down 160ish all the way to Toronto.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 05:36 PM   #4225
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Really? From what I hear Toronto is a bad place for speeding, you must be lucky.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 10:16 PM   #4226
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Hmmm what's wrong with clearview? I think it's easy to read and very clean.
For me it's mainly the issue of aesthetics, which is admittedly subjective. Clearview just strikes me as one of those cheap, fugly fonts that come pre-loaded with Windows. The FHWA font just looks so much more elegant by comparison.

I'm not convinced that Clearview is easier to read either. I can read the FHWA font just fine, thank you very much.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 11:10 AM   #4227
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For me it's mainly the issue of aesthetics, which is admittedly subjective. Clearview just strikes me as one of those cheap, fugly fonts that come pre-loaded with Windows. The FHWA font just looks so much more elegant by comparison.

I'm not convinced that Clearview is easier to read either. I can read the FHWA font just fine, thank you very much.
I agree with you. The FHWA font looks professional to me. This clearview font looks like they're fooling around. It's too curvy and just looks ugly to me. Too bad Texas decided to adopt this font.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 12:03 PM   #4228
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Really? From what I hear Toronto is a bad place for speeding, you must be lucky.
Correct. That goes just for Toronto, however there is a decent strech from Niagara Falls until you hit Toronto. I went down to peace birdge and enter Ohio, as soon as I hit PA , cops are all over in the booshes.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 12:08 PM   #4229
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I think clearview is curvy so certain letters have quirks about them that people can differentiate without the letters being readily visible.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 12:43 PM   #4230
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For me it's mainly the issue of aesthetics, which is admittedly subjective. Clearview just strikes me as one of those cheap, fugly fonts that come pre-loaded with Windows. The FHWA font just looks so much more elegant by comparison.

I'm not convinced that Clearview is easier to read either. I can read the FHWA font just fine, thank you very much.
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I think clearview is curvy so certain letters have quirks about them that people can differentiate without the letters being readily visible.
That's not really how fonts are chosen. There was extensive development that led to the Clearview font. Not everybody has the same eyes, so it might look different to people with glasses, or lenses, or whatever eye-problems.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 02:55 PM   #4231
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Clearview is a family of humanist typefaces, unlike the FHWA alphabet series, which are a family of gothic typefaces. This means that the stroke width of a letter in Clearview varies within the letter, unlike Series E Modified where it remains approximately the same. The type influences on Clearview include Transport Medium (particularly evident in the bottom curl on lowercase L) and Frutiger.

Clearview was originally developed for two purposes, both related to the visibility needs of older drivers, who will become the dominant group on American roads as the baby boomer generation ages.

First, Clearview was meant to improve on the intrinsic legibility of the FHWA series under favorable conditions. This would allow Clearview to be substituted for the FHWA series on sign panels of approximately the same size while removing the need to change from letter sizes of 16" uppercase/12" lowercase to 20" uppercase/15" lowercase on overhead freeway guide signs, which would entail replacing the sign structures as well in order to deal with the added wind load. It is an order of magnitude more expensive to replace sign structures than it is to replace sign panels, so moving to a more efficient typeface is an obvious first step.

Second, the newer microprismatic retroreflective sheetings used on green-background guide signs lead to the problem of halation (overglow), where white type bleeds into the background and becomes difficult to read at a distance. Typefaces with thick stroke widths, like Series E Modified, are particularly susceptible to halation, which also becomes worse for drivers as their eyes age. Clearview attempts to solve the halation problem by using lowercase letters which are larger in comparison to the capital letter heights, by using more open counters within closed loops in letterforms, and through variation in stroke width.

Research has shown that the legibility distances obtained with Clearview are about 10%-20% greater than those obtained with the corresponding FHWA series at equal capital letter height. The specific percentage depends on the combination of sheeting types and the age of the driver, and is lowest for young drivers viewing signs under favorable conditions (broad daylight, sun shining on the sign), but highest for older drivers viewing signs under unfavorable conditions (late at night with sheeting combinations deliberately chosen to promote halation). 20% is less than the 25% improvement you would expect from moving from 16" UC/12" LC to 20" UC/15" LC without changing the typeface, but it is also considerably more cost-efficient since replacement sign panels can be designed with approximately the same square footage, without the need to modify or relocate sign structures. There are therefore strong arguments for using Clearview from an engineering and financial point of view, aside from the aesthetics.

Road enthusiasts tend to be sharply divided on the aesthetic question. The anti-intellectuals prefer FHWA series while the type snobs prefer Clearview because it is a more sophisticated design. Personally, I like both type families, and disagree with elements of the arguments on both sides. I reject anti-intellectualism on principle, but I also don't agree that Clearview is a fully optimized design in every respect. I particularly question the lack of instant glance legibility for the digits, which has been fashioned into an argument in favor of using the FHWA series for route marker digits and even exit numbers and mileages on signs which otherwise use Clearview exclusively.

Although about two dozen states now have interim approvals to use Clearview, the number of states which have gone over to Clearview for all new signing work on freeways is much smaller, and many Clearview adopters have rather odd practices. In many PennDOT districts, for example, Clearview is used only for primary legend (mainly destinations), with route marker digits, distance legends ("EXIT 1/2 MILE" and the like), and exit tabs remaining in the FHWA alphabet series. FHWA approved Clearview for negative-contrast use in 2004 but it did not incorporate Clearview in the 2008 NPA for a MUTCD edition which is expected to come out later this year. This suggests that the traffic engineering community continues to have doubts about Clearview and is content to stick with a mixed system where some states use the FHWA series while others convert to Clearview.
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Old May 20th, 2009, 05:02 AM   #4232
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The U.S. highway system isn't that bad, it's very organized and efficient. Only problem is there is a lot of maintenance to do and updating. Also seeing how your from Indiana your roads are in bad condition.
Yes, road condition varies by state. Indiana's roads are much worse than Georgia's or Tennessee's for example.
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Old May 20th, 2009, 07:48 AM   #4233
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Thanks to J N Winkler for a most informative post; for a further discussion of this topic, see the article "The Road to Clarity", by Joshua Yaffa, in the New York Times Sunday Magazine, August 12, 2007.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/ma.../12fonts-t.htm
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Old May 20th, 2009, 04:26 PM   #4234
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Here are some rather unspectacular pictures of North Interstate 35 from north of Salado, TX to Waco, TX on the 4th of May 2009. This was in the evening so the light was low:

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Old May 21st, 2009, 06:08 AM   #4235
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A roadtrip timelapse video from Birmingham to Tuscaloosa I stumbled upon on YouTube. The route followed is I-459 S from Exit 27 to Jct I-59, then I-59 (twinned with I-20) from Exit 106 to exit 71 (Jct I-359), then I-359 from Jct I-59 to Exit 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji8lY...eature=related

The video is a bit dated. When it was taken, I-20/59 dropped from six lanes to four just before Exit 86 (around time index 2:30). Since then, the interstate has been widened to six lanes all the way to just before exit 79 (at time index 3:00). There are plans to widen the interstate to six lanes all the way through Tuscaloosa.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 06:10 AM   #4236
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^ let me help you with that.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 06:12 AM   #4237
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Thanks

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Old May 21st, 2009, 06:17 AM   #4238
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look at the link on the youtube page, copy the code after the = sign and before the & sign. (So in this case you would copy ji8lYlyCcAU)

then place it in between [.youtube ][/youtube.] (without the periods)

so you would have [.youtube]ji8lYlyCcAU[/youtube.] (minus the periods)

then post.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 08:34 AM   #4239
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Here are some rather unspectacular pictures of North Interstate 35 from north of Salado, TX to Waco, TX on the 4th of May 2009. This was in the evening so the light was low:

[IMG]http://i41.************/33o5zkg.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i43.************/ekp53t.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i40.************/2hf505c.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i44.************/2jadpox.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i39.************/2ykl1g4.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i42.************/25svmyp.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i43.************/1zc1zdk.jpg[/IMG]
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You know what? There really are no unspectacular pictures of US Interstates.
Your pictures actually paint a real, accurate description of what it is like to be on the Interstate system. Yes, the sameness can be fatigueing, but when I drive on the system I always try to spot things that are unique, or out of the ordinary. Keeps me awake!
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Old May 21st, 2009, 10:31 PM   #4240
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