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Old May 22nd, 2009, 04:46 PM   #4261
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In this for example, I see no reason to cut 4 letters out . . .
That example has four digits. The abbreviation "F.M." is necessary for FM roads which have just one digit--and let me assure you, they do exist. "F.M." has to appear on shields regardless of digit count so that a FM shield can always be recognized as such.

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Or here 2 . . .
There is nothing wrong with spelling "Rd" out since "Road" will fit, and that is often done elsewhere. It is completely up to the designer, but in general use of abbreviations is encouraged where this will save sign panel area while still enabling the message to be understood easily.

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For example,"thru".
"Thru" has fewer letters than "Through" and saves on sign panel area. For a two-line sign with legend consisting of "THRU"/"TRAFFIC," use of the abbreviation means the width of the sign is controlled by "TRAFFIC" rather than "THROUGH" and is shorter overall.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 11:24 PM   #4262
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See my first post in "Highway Fonts" why I think North Carolina does highway signage better than any other state.

Also, what is it that is totally reversed when exiting Texas interstates? I remember slamming on the brakes or not having to stop at all where you intuitively want to do so.
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Old May 23rd, 2009, 03:58 PM   #4263
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The BQE. It's hated, but also vital to the area.
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Old May 23rd, 2009, 07:52 PM   #4264
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'BQE' = Brooklyn-Queens Expressway (I-278) in Brooklyn, NYC.

That image is taken from the Brooklyn Bridge.

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Old May 24th, 2009, 05:45 PM   #4265
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The BQE. It's hated, but also vital to the area.
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it is not as bad as some may think. It is busy there, but not in a way that you cannot use it anymore. Brooklyn Bridge entrance is quite normal. one part that is particularly bad is Gawanus expy



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Old May 24th, 2009, 05:48 PM   #4266
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I've read something about putting the Gowanus underground. Might be a good idea, but only if the capacity is also expanded, it's a bit of a waste to spend billions without actually improving the situation.
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Old May 24th, 2009, 06:07 PM   #4267
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I've read something about putting the Gowanus underground. Might be a good idea, but only if the capacity is also expanded, it's a bit of a waste to spend billions without actually improving the situation.
Well it is a swell idea to make it bigger and take it away underground since it is a sore in the eye for sure. But in this economic environment and with so many NIMBYs in NYC going to "die" on the spot if someone openly will mention such a "travesty" I hardly see it as a possibility. Though the idea of another "Big dig" is a good idea for such a congested and ugly place.

here are a few thoughts about this topic

http://www.nycroads.com/roads/gowanus/
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Old May 24th, 2009, 10:38 PM   #4268
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I-278 in general may be the worst interstate in the country, IMO.
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Old May 25th, 2009, 12:34 AM   #4269
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I've read something about putting the Gowanus underground. Might be a good idea, but only if the capacity is also expanded, it's a bit of a waste to spend billions without actually improving the situation.
Capacity expansion of the Gowanus would make sense only if it were complemented by expansion elsewhere in the system--otherwise it's a question of billions spent just to move bottlenecks.

There are already precedents for spending billions of dollars in like-for-like replacements which don't add capacity. The east span for the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge is costing more than $5.2 billion to replace and will have no added capacity beyond a bike lane. The west span is not being replaced, which makes it pointless to rebuild the east span with added capacity for motor vehicles.
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Capacity expansion of the Gowanus would make sense only if it were complemented by expansion elsewhere in the system--otherwise it's a question of billions spent just to move bottlenecks.

There are already precedents for spending billions of dollars in like-for-like replacements which don't add capacity. The east span for the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge is costing more than $5.2 billion to replace and will have no added capacity beyond a bike lane. The west span is not being replaced, which makes it pointless to rebuild the east span with added capacity for motor vehicles.
They are rebuilding it primarily due to being inadequate seismically, not to add capacity. It is long known that Bay bridge will be demolished by any major earthquake in the area and there is a fault right under it.
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Capacity expansion of the Gowanus would make sense only if it were complemented by expansion elsewhere in the system--otherwise it's a question of billions spent just to move bottlenecks.

There are already precedents for spending billions of dollars in like-for-like replacements which don't add capacity. The east span for the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge is costing more than $5.2 billion to replace and will have no added capacity beyond a bike lane. The west span is not being replaced, which makes it pointless to rebuild the east span with added capacity for motor vehicles.
It's impossible to replace the West span. Not only would it involve tearing down an historic structure, you would have to destroy blocks of DT San Francisco for a new approach. The SF-Oakland Bay Bridge has 10 traffic lanes, which is plenty. Commuters should take BART if they don't like the traffic on the Bay Bridge.
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Well it is a swell idea to make it bigger and take it away underground since it is a sore in the eye for sure. But in this economic environment and with so many NIMBYs in NYC going to "die" on the spot if someone openly will mention such a "travesty" I hardly see it as a possibility. Though the idea of another "Big dig" is a good idea for such a congested and ugly place.

here are a few thoughts about this topic

http://www.nycroads.com/roads/gowanus/
Put the Gowanus underground and a fourth lane in each direction. That way you get rid of a polluting eyesore, reconnect Brooklyn to its waterfront, and add capacity.

Now is the perfect time to perform infrastructure projects. It would put people back to work and the project itself would benefit the community.
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Put the Gowanus underground and a fourth lane in each direction. That way you get rid of a polluting eyesore, reconnect Brooklyn to its waterfront, and add capacity.

Now is the perfect time to perform infrastructure projects. It would put people back to work and the project itself would benefit the community.
I am all for it - you just have a very little job to sell this idea to NYC bosses
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Old May 27th, 2009, 01:11 PM   #4274
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Old May 27th, 2009, 03:13 PM   #4275
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I like that sunken highway which I presume is US-75.
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Birmingham, Alabama's new northern beltline will be numbered Interstate 422
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Birmingham, Alabama's new northern beltline will be numbered Interstate 422
Will it be the continuation of I-22? Do you know if it's going to connect to I-65 or all the way to I-59?
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Thanks. I wonder how they are planning to deal with routing and NIMBY, there's quite some development along the planned corridors.
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