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Old June 12th, 2009, 08:34 AM   #4341
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The money that goes in now goes right straight out as benefits.

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That's the way the program has always worked. And you grossly overestimate the supposed insolvency of the program. Minor tweaks are needed. That's all. I already proposed a solution in an earlier post.
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Old June 12th, 2009, 06:07 PM   #4342
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...but does it take really take 15-20 years in this day and age to build an 50-mile, six lane interstate??.
For ALDOT it does.
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Old June 14th, 2009, 06:31 AM   #4343
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Well, CT is worse. They've been working on one highway for almost 50 years and it's only half finished. Damn NIMBYs...
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Old June 14th, 2009, 08:12 AM   #4344
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Are you talking about 6, 7, or 11?
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Old June 14th, 2009, 10:48 AM   #4345
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11, lol.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 05:50 PM   #4346
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<snip> but does it take really take 15-20 years in this day and age to build an 50-mile, six lane interstate??.
No, not if it's a Texas Tollway.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 04:43 AM   #4347
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No, not if it's a Texas Tollway.
Well I kinda wish it was the case, we wouldnt be looking at a 2025 completion date.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 06:21 AM   #4348
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You and I both know a 2025 completion date is optimistic at best. Wasn't Corridor X supposed to be complete a decade ago?
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Old June 17th, 2009, 03:25 AM   #4349
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You and I both know a 2025 completion date is optimistic at best. Wasn't Corridor X supposed to be complete a decade ago?
Yup, and the 2012 completion date for Corridor X (I-22) is not set in stone either. Mississippi has had their portion completed since 1994. ALDOT has to be the worst transportation department in the nation.
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Old June 17th, 2009, 05:36 AM   #4350
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ALDOT has to be the worst transportation department in the nation.
No, INDOT (Indiana Department of Transportation) is the worst in the nation.

No road building/maintenance agency does less road building/maintenance than INDOT.
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Old June 17th, 2009, 07:07 AM   #4351
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No road building/maintenance agency does less road building/maintenance than INDOT.
Except ODOT (Oregon)

And for heaven's sake, ban frigging studded tires already, especially when you don't maintain the roads.
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Old June 17th, 2009, 09:08 AM   #4352
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It looks like other states are lacking but I think Texas has the best highway system in the country. Our Interstates are also the most well connected in the country with frequent exits and frontage roads. There's nothing sadder than driving for 10 miles without seeing an exit. That always seems weird to me when I drive in other states.

Texas seems to put their Interstates in the front yard while the rest of the country puts them in the back.
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Old June 17th, 2009, 05:42 PM   #4353
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I agree texas has one of the best highway systems in the country and the world, it's crazy how good the highways are there and how crappy they are here.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 04:39 AM   #4354
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Other than the impressive stack interchanges there, I'm not a big fan of Texas's highways. They are too aesthetically ugly, with those service roads that pretty much beg for nonstop development, as well as billboards everywhere.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 08:46 AM   #4355
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Texas was wise to build most of its interstate and freeway mileage along previously-existing US routes. This helps to control the distribution of development in a way that zoning cannot, and it means that most Texas freeways were brownfield infrastructure projects, as opposed to greenfield ones that you find in most other states. As a result, it's easier to build new freeway capacity than it would be if such interstates were built on completely new paths.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 08:47 AM   #4356
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Agree with Xusein. Texas highways are simply too artificial and wasteful. They're just massive that's it, and only shows that Texas doesn't give a crap about other forms of transportation, thanks to unregulated sprawling developments.

If there's a great highway network, it's the German and Dutch Autobahns. No other highway system in the world has qualities as high as those.

I'll agree, Texas has a high-capacity, practical highway system. But in terms of being the best overall, I don't think it comes close to the best in the world.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 08:54 AM   #4357
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....If there's a great highway network, it's the German and Dutch Autobahns. No other highway system in the world has qualities as high as those.

I'll agree, Texas has a high-capacity, practical highway system. But in terms of being the best overall, I don't think it comes close to the best in the world.
what do you mean by qualities?

which parameters would you consider here? pavement? curves? slopes? design? visual impact?
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Old June 18th, 2009, 11:45 AM   #4358
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I never noticed how wide the I-5 just north of the I-805 in San Diego was...
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Old June 18th, 2009, 12:47 PM   #4359
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El Toro Y (I-405/I-5 California)
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After the project was completed in 1997, the El Toro Y stood as one of the widest roads in the world, at 26 traffic lanes wide.
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The 26-lane claim seems a bit exaggerated, there are "only" like 12 mainline lanes, the rest are connector lanes, and the road to the left is not part of the freeway, but a parallel road to Bake Parkway.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 01:00 PM   #4360
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Recession has it's influence on traffic volumes.

The busiest road in the United States, I-405 near Seal Beach, California, has dropped from 392,000 AADT in 2007 to 374,000 AADT in 2008. Other freeways seems to have dropped in volume a bit too.
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