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Old July 17th, 2009, 07:03 PM   #4521
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Interstate 81's existance isn't ONLY to provide a bypass of I-95; there are people who live near and drive on 81 everyday. It most certainly is used heavily by trucks, for sure, but let's not exagerate that 'it's entire purpose for existence' is to provide long-haul trucks a 95 bypass.
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Old July 17th, 2009, 07:33 PM   #4522
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I-81 is mainly a connector from the Boshwash metropolis to the southwest, Tennessee, Northern Georgia, and everything west of Alabama. I-95 is a north-south corridor, I can only imagine that traffic from New Orleans, Birmingham, Atlanta and points west doesn't use I-85/I-95 but I-81/I-66 to Washington.

But let's not exaggerate the "problems" on I-81, it mostly sees 40,000 - 50,000 AADT through Virginia, which is still significantly below saturation level which arrives in the 80,000 - 90,000 range for 4 lanes.
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Old July 17th, 2009, 08:34 PM   #4523
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There's a ton of truck traffic where I live on 81 but much of it gets "divided" when 81 meets the Pennsylvania Turnpike to the south- and at the 81/78 split to the north east.
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Old July 17th, 2009, 08:42 PM   #4524
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Yeah, that section between Harrisburg and Bordnersville is a pivotal piece of the entire Interstate. north-south traffic continues on I-81 here, while it meets east-west traffic from the Midwest to New York City (via I-78) as well. And it interchanges with I-76 (Pennsylvania Turnpike) which leads to the major industrial centers in the Midwest and Philadelphia in the east. Northbound traffic from the Baltimore area also enters I-81 in Harrisburg.

Quite interesting, the city of Harrisburg never grew that much, something you would expect from a city located that strategic. I wonder why, it seems like it could've been as big as Pittsburgh.
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Old July 17th, 2009, 09:08 PM   #4525
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Not sure but I would think not growing early on as a port of some sort may've played a role- the rivers that meet at Pittsburgh allowed goods to travel down the Ohio and into the Mississippi and out to sea.
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Old July 17th, 2009, 09:27 PM   #4526
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Abandoned part of I-44 near Tulsa, Oklahoma:
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Old July 18th, 2009, 02:01 AM   #4527
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That would make an awesome drag racing strip! If they were so far along why didn't they just finish it?
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Old July 18th, 2009, 03:52 AM   #4528
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That would make an awesome drag racing strip! If they were so far along why didn't they just finish it?
That's most likely the old routing of I-44, whereas the new routing was built to meet with that interchange to the east.
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Old July 18th, 2009, 06:58 AM   #4529
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was it ever open? it even still remains signed!

nevermind..google earth imagery goes back to 1995, and you can see the original routing and stuff.
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Old July 18th, 2009, 08:17 AM   #4530
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That is not a reason to join this forum. I would prefer you take your blind homerism elsewhere. Shit stinks in the Tar Heel State just as badly as it does anywhere else.
1) "Boasting of NC's greatness" comment was only intended for dude in Charlotte that I offended with my original HUMBLING comments regarding NC interchanges.

2) You won't find NC-related posts from me regarding architecture, sustainable cities, or urban planning, etc.

3) However after having lived in SoCal, ATL, Bostn, Paris, NJ, NYC during last 20 years and having driven to the West Coast 9 times, I CAN and WILL continue to boast about North Carolina's highways.

4) Earlier "Sex with your sister" comment perfectly illustrates the irony and misconceptions surrounding NC, which is progressive, pro-active, and guided by intelligent minds. For an example, did you know NC was 1st to install fiber-optic cable statewide and later used as prototype for the rest of the world? Or that NC has ultra-strict limitations on all ridgeline construction in order to preserve scenic and pristine mountain views? Little things like these are just some examples of the higher standards the state holds itself to.

5) On social issues, gay issues, racism, etc. however, NC fails miserably. Though I'm proud and very glad, I still can't believe Obama won NC's electoral votes.

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Old July 18th, 2009, 08:25 AM   #4531
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Interstate 81's existance isn't ONLY to provide a bypass of I-95; there are people who live near and drive on 81 everyday. It most certainly is used heavily by trucks, for sure, but let's not exagerate that 'it's entire purpose for existence' is to provide long-haul trucks a 95 bypass.
I don't think that's an exaggeration at all. A similar case is I-76 and the I-70 western extension in Colorado/Utah. While useful for other purposes, such as tourism, the entire reason for those freeways' existence is to provide a more direct connection between Los Angeles and the I-80 corridor.

In much the same way, I-81's entire reason for existing is to take trucks off of I-95. That doesn't mean it's not used for many other reasons; it's one of the most direct routes between the Gulf Coast and New York, for example.
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Old July 18th, 2009, 12:25 PM   #4532
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If its ENTIRE purpose was to give trucks another route up the east coast there wouldn't be as many local exits along the way. 81 does not have a single reason to exist, like many highways it serves many purposes including providing commuters an easy way to get from point a to point b.
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True, there are also many small cities along the I-81 corridor;

Kingsport/Johnson City/Bristol, Tennessee (302,000 MSA)
Roanoke, Virginia (293,000 MSA)
Harrisonburg, Virginia (118,000 MSA)
Winchester, Virginia (122,000 MSA)
Hagerstown, Maryland (264,000 MSA)
Chambersburg, Pennsylvania (143,000 MSA)
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania (509,000 MSA)

They are maybe not huge world cities, but the population is still significant.
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Old July 18th, 2009, 03:39 PM   #4534
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Is there any plan to return this to nature, or do they intend to let it rot there ?
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Old July 18th, 2009, 06:06 PM   #4535
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Not to sound cynical or anything but I'm gonna guess "rot". It would be nice to see it turn into some sort of a park or wildlife zone or something.
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Let's not exaggerate the value of this area... just thousands of square miles of plains, prairies and some woods. An 1 mile abandoned freeway between two other freeways isn't gonna make a big difference.
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Old July 18th, 2009, 06:33 PM   #4537
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Let's not exaggerate the value of this area... just thousands of square miles of plains, prairies and some woods. An 1 mile abandoned freeway between two other freeways isn't gonna make a big difference.
True, but I'm amazed that OK introduced a TOTSO interchange on a mainline Interstate highway, especially considering that NC built three unTOTSO interchanges around Greensboro (including the epic phail at I-40-I-840 west) during the same era.

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Old July 18th, 2009, 07:10 PM   #4538
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Is there any plan to return this to nature, or do they intend to let it rot there ?
Think: 'Movie set!'





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Old July 18th, 2009, 07:53 PM   #4540
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wtf is this?
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