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Old July 18th, 2009, 08:20 PM   #4541
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Let's not exaggerate the value of this area... just thousands of square miles of plains, prairies and some woods. An 1 mile abandoned freeway between two other freeways isn't gonna make a big difference.
It's very close to Tulsa, which is actually quite an attractive area, with rolling hills and the Arkansas River cutting through it. Most Oklahomans would either put this part of the state (Green Country) or the mountains of the southeast as the most beautiful parts.

Re: the TOTSO, the highway that extends from the bottom of I-44 is the Creek Turnpike, opened in 1992 to serve the growing southern suburbs of Tulsa. The Will Rogers Turnpike (I-44) has existed since the mid-1950s. It made way more sense to implement a single TOTSO interchange than spend the cash on a massive web of interchanges. You also have to keep in mind that the Oklahoma Department of Transportation (free highways) and the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority (toll roads) have completely different funding schemes, and are very restricted by the state constitution in what they can collaborate in.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 03:22 AM   #4542
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It's very close to Tulsa, which is actually quite an attractive area, with rolling hills and the Arkansas River cutting through it. Most Oklahomans would either put this part of the state (Green Country) or the mountains of the southeast as the most beautiful parts.
Also, just a bit north of here is the Port of Catoosa, from which it's possible, IIRC, to travel by ship (!) to the Gulf of Mexico via the Verdigris, Red, and Mississippi Rivers. The sight of high-level bridges where various highways cross the waterway is quite startling.

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Re: the TOTSO, the highway that extends from the bottom of I-44 is the Creek Turnpike, opened in 1992 to serve the growing southern suburbs of Tulsa. The Will Rogers Turnpike (I-44) has existed since the mid-1950s. It made way more sense to implement a single TOTSO interchange than spend the cash on a massive web of interchanges. You also have to keep in mind that the Oklahoma Department of Transportation (free highways) and the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority (toll roads) have completely different funding schemes, and are very restricted by the state constitution in what they can collaborate in.
What I had in mind was what I call an unTOTSO interchange, like
I-40/I-840/I-73, I-85/I-40/I-73/Green 85 and I-85/I-40/I-840 in Greensboro and I-10/AZ 51/AZ Loop 202 in Phoenix. In these interchanges the numbered mainline takes precedence as it turns through the interchange, thereby eliminating left-hand on- and offramps. It's more expensive, but it's the correct thing to do.

In fairness, the unTOTSOs in NC are configured in such a way that little or no speed reduction is required even as the mainline bends through the interchange. Clearly that wasn't feasible at I-44/US 412/Creek Turnpike. It wasn't at the one in Phoenix, either, so they accepted a lower speed for the mainline. Perhaps the results were less than encouraging.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 03:34 AM   #4543
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This is Oklahoma, as well. They generally don't have a whole lot of funding for highways, as the OTA is required to keep tolls low, and the state gas tax is nearly non-existent
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Old July 19th, 2009, 05:27 AM   #4544
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Quite interesting, the city of Harrisburg never grew that much, something you would expect from a city located that strategic. I wonder why, it seems like it could've been as big as Pittsburgh.
The Susquehana is a not a navigable river. That may have had something to do with limiting Harrisburg's growth.

On the other hand, the city is a major transportation hub with three different interstates converging on the city as well as being the state capital.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 05:29 AM   #4545
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That's some very simplistic thinking you got there..

Transportation doesn't work that way. "shifting freight to rail" is very vague, and the majority of non-bulk carried by trucks is not suitable for rail freight. It's not like someone says "shifting freight to rail", and all problems will magically disappear...
Well, this is what Virginia did. Instead of finding a couple billion to widen I-81 to six lanes through the state, they spent about $40 million to upgrade freight rail lines that parallel the road.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 05:38 AM   #4546
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Even with freight that means when a train arrives it will unload onto trucks which will usually disperse in an urban area and clog up those roads. It is a good thing to expand rail but at the same time they need to upgrade highways too.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 05:42 AM   #4547
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Even with freight that means when a train arrives it will unload onto trucks which will usually disperse in an urban area and clog up those roads. It is a good thing to expand rail but at the same time they need to upgrade highways too.
Better to have trucks on the city roads than on the city roads AND interstate highways.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 07:56 AM   #4548
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wtf is this?
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(California should read Interstate)
California is one giant Concrete / Asphalt Interstate if u ask me , so i think that's acceptable + who cares what it says , no one pays attention to whether or not it says that Theres a DAM sticker on it , were you addressing that issue
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Old July 19th, 2009, 11:03 AM   #4549
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The interstate sign should read this:


or this
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Old July 19th, 2009, 02:15 PM   #4550
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Is there any plan to return this to nature, or do they intend to let it rot there ?
They could make a dragster racetrack of it.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 11:00 PM   #4551
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Anyone have any experience with making those expressway time lapse videos? I'm thinking about making some. Any ideas on how to mount the camera securely to the dashboard, without permanently damaging/altering your car? I don't have a kid to hold the camera like that freewayjim guy.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 11:12 PM   #4552
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Here's what I do:

I taped some velcro to the bottom of my camera, and on a flat part of my dashbord (in my case: above the odometer, otherwise I'd only film wiper blades and interior). That way, your camera won't fall off when you brake or take a turn. Also, it reduces some of the shaking of the road. DON'T ZOOM THE CAMERA! Otherwise all shaking is exacerbated on video.

Make sure to have at least a 2 GB card, because time-lapse videos require quite some space (4 minutes is like 15 miles if sped up 4 times). I usually speed them up 2 times on urban freeways, and 4 times on rural freeways because the interesting features are further apart on rural freeways. You could switch between 2x and 4x or even faster if you want.

Render it at 720px. You can chose this at the rendering options in Windows Movie Maker. The regular rendering only gets you HQ on Youtube, but 720px gets you an HD video, which are nicer to look at

It looks like this, but you can also place the camera somewhere else where you have a good line of sight.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 11:36 PM   #4553
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I don't think Jim Georges has his son hold the camera anyway. The usual method in US and British road enthusiast circles is to use a suction mount, generally available for less than $50, and I think possibly less than $20. It is also important to keep the windshield free of dirt and bugs. In the US this is easy to do because gas stations typically have squeegees in basins of washing fluid, but in Britain (and possibly the rest of western Europe) this is not normal provision and so it is sensible to invest in a squeegee and spray bottle which can be carried in the trunk. I think it may even be possible to find a squeegee where the spray bottle doubles as the handle.
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It is also important to keep the windshield free of dirt and bugs. In the US this is easy to do because gas stations typically have squeegees in basins of washing fluid, but in Britain (and possibly the rest of western Europe) this is not normal provision and so it is sensible to invest in a squeegee and spray bottle which can be carried in the trunk. I think it may even be possible to find a squeegee where the spray bottle doubles as the handle.
I have seen it at every gas station in Germany and Switzerland (along freeways) I used it a lot

although flies and bugs are especially a problem in low-lying, water-rich areas. It's a major problem in the Netherlands, but barely in Switzerland for instance.
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Old July 20th, 2009, 07:15 AM   #4555
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The velcro idea is a nice cheap way of doing it, might have to try it sometime.
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Old July 20th, 2009, 12:34 PM   #4556
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I guess Alternate Interstates are quite rare. This one's in Kansas City, MO.
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Kansas City has one of the most extensive freeway systems in the US, the metro area is quite spread out and there are many alternate ways to get through the city.
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 02:54 AM   #4558
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Kansas City has one of the most extensive freeway systems in the US, the metro area is quite spread out and there are many alternate ways to get through the city.
What that tells me: Tourists and visitors beware, KCMO highways will blow your mind and put you on the other side of the city before you know what happened.
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What that tells me: Tourists and visitors beware, KCMO highways will blow your mind and put you on the other side of the city before you know what happened.
lol that is sadly more true than you think!
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 09:19 AM   #4560
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I was surprised to see Kansas City, MO even has a second downtown, to the south, not located on any freeway.
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