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Old April 4th, 2010, 08:02 AM   #5561
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People drive them here to haul stuff around. Most people have a truck and a car/van/SUV. I live in a rural area though where people use their trucks for stuff... not just to be big and manly and cool like most trucks in various places across the U.S.
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Old April 4th, 2010, 08:16 PM   #5562
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i dont know how people can own their own buisness or own home without a truck these days. I can haul tile, drywall and anything else i can in my truckbed. Yes they are not always the best on fuel, but there are some things you can do in them, or ask for a manual transmission instead of auto.

Its also an american thing, but i normally just take public transportation if i dont need to haul stuff. my truck is mainly for hauling goods back and forth from my suppliers
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Old April 4th, 2010, 11:55 PM   #5563
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I am sorry, that text misses the point. It is not commonly argued that Interstates were meant to be fast roads to scenic locations. What actually happened is that the original plan to have a complete system by a defined deadline created a frantic production environment in the state highway agencies which was very unfriendly to detailed optimization of alignment.

If this optimization had been allowed to happen, the Interstate driving experience would have been greatly improved from the standpoints both of aesthetic and safety, and probably also in terms of travel distance and travel time between defined points on the system, though the capital costs would likely have been somewhat higher.
How exactly does that miss the point?
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Old April 5th, 2010, 02:52 AM   #5564
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If you're not using it for work, then it's little more than a "Status Symbol" to the owner. At least that's my take on it anyway.
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Old April 5th, 2010, 04:55 AM   #5565
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I also believe it has to do with "american culture". I used to live in the US and more than half of all the cars that were parked on my block were pick ups (including my dad's truck as well) and I can assure you that only 20% of everyone that had one there really needed it. The average american likes big things and pick up trucks are usually bigger than cars. Then the other really popular vehicle in the US is a large SUV and it's probably for the same reason.

At least that was my experience.
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Old April 5th, 2010, 05:12 AM   #5566
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My part of the country has proportionally more sedans than other areas, so it's less of a frightening thing to drive around here in a little dinky car like a Ford Escort. The majority of vehicles are sedans, but there are definitely a lot of pickups and SUVs - surely less than in other countries, but more than other parts of the USA.

I do agree that most people who have SUVs or pickups THINK they need them but don't really, and would do just fine with a sedan. Plenty of pickups have a cover over the bed that's painted body-color, and i figure it's just meant to give them a really gigantic trunk... but if they want a gigantic trunk why not get a sedan with a gigantic trunk? (That's a Mercury Grand Marquis, a gigantic car built on the same platform, and with a similar design, as the Crown Victoria police car, but more consumer-friendly.) A small minority may get one cheap because it's just an older model that caught their eye when they were looking to buy a vehicle, and another larger minority uses them for work purposes - my dad, a landscaper, falls into this last category. IMO a pickup truck should only be used as a work truck unless it's got 4 full-size seats, in which case it may also be used as an SUV with an open-air cargo area.

The majority of work trucks have one of two rear attachments.
One: A ladder rack


Two: A box of boxes, with or without a ladder rack, and with space in between the boxes of boxes for whatever equipment doesn't fit in a box.


Another pickup attachment commonly seen in my city is a set of railroad wheels, since my city wouldn't be nearly as big as it is had there not been a railyard built here in the late 1800s.
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Old April 5th, 2010, 05:14 AM   #5567
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This wouldn't have happen with a concrete barrier
But with concrete barriers there is a posibility that a car can bounce back into the traffic possibly hitting other cars. Metal guardrails on the other hand absorb some of the shock or something like that so when a vehicle hits it it stays on the guardrail. Of coarse, that particular gaurdrail seemed weak becuase that shouldn't happen.

Or you can use these concrete barriers. They aren't fixed to the ground so cars won't rebound when they hit the barrier. Though you'd need a wider median than the one pictured here becuase thy end up bieng shifted towards the oposite side when they get crashed. With a shoulder this small the barrier can hit oncoming traffic when they get hit on the oposite side.

These are extremely common in Mexico unfortunatly most of them have these really small left shoulders.
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Old April 5th, 2010, 12:05 PM   #5568
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My boss drives a Mercedes,and hauls his stuff with a vehicle like this:

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Old April 5th, 2010, 01:24 PM   #5569
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I live in the woods so almost everyone I know drives a truck and we use the hell out of them. You should see how torn up the beds can get when you've been hauling heavy stuff around in them day after day for several years.
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Old April 6th, 2010, 09:17 AM   #5570
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I'd say you can't compare USA to Thailand, almost every car in Thailand is pickup (and majority is Toyota), never seen so many pickups anywhere and it must be impossible also in USA to see more of them

I was thinking about it, in warm climate it's very handy car, you can carry big load and also in rear part you can transport many people
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Old April 6th, 2010, 06:09 PM   #5571
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Huge energy inefficient trucks are the reason for the failure of American auto makers. If Ford America acted like Ford Europe, it could be the number one car manufacturer in the world.

Many people don't realise what you can do with a wagon. If you fold the seats down in a wagon, you've got plenty of room. Station wagons are more practical than trucks in every day situations.

If somebody isn't in the construction business and they own a huge truck, all that indicates to me is that they enjoy throwing money in the trash. Station wagons are the most practical vehicle one can own.

Volvos, Subarus, Focus Wagon, Jetta and Golf Wagon - even Saturn used to make station wagons. They're all great cars. The VW and Ford wagon variants are the most economical and affordable. Why people buy giant trucks has always baffled me.
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Old April 6th, 2010, 06:28 PM   #5572
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The major disadvantage of pick-up trucks is their city fuel efficiency. Out on the highway, they're not that bad, I mean the Ford F-150 gets 20 mpg on the highway and that's a pretty brutal vehicle. There are enough station wagons on gasoline that get between 25 and 30 mpg, for example the VW Passat wagon gets 29 mpg on the highway.

I know there are also gasoline cars that get over 40 mpg, but I think it's a bit nonsense to compare a heavy duty vehicle with a tin can. On the other hand, my dad drives a Renault Espace 2.0 L on LPG. He gets about 15 mpg.
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Old April 6th, 2010, 07:27 PM   #5573
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... all that indicates to me is that they enjoy throwing money in the trash. Station wagons are the most practical vehicle one can own.
I once heard a car expert say that if you buy anything other than a Camry or Accord, it's an emotional decision based on various things, but certainly not practicality. (yes, obviously that's a gross generalization, let's not argue about that)

Who cares if they don't really need a truck or what their motives are, if they can afford it? We all spend money on stuff we don't really need to survive, but everyone has different priorities and preferences. Nothing wrong with that.
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Old April 6th, 2010, 07:48 PM   #5574
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Volvos, Subarus, Focus Wagon, Jetta and Golf Wagon - even Saturn used to make station wagons. They're all great cars. The VW and Ford wagon variants are the most economical and affordable. Why people buy giant trucks has always baffled me.
I really do want a station wagon. I don't have any use for a big truck, and i might want a 4x4 SUV though, but for typical urban use (I'll be going to college in the Washington DC area) a station wagon is just fine.

I'd most prefer a Ford, but since the Focus wagon only lasted a few years in the US I guess I'd have to get a used Taurus-X crossover... I could use any Ford sedan if i can't get a wagon, and as far as size goes... the bigger the better. Yes that includes the Crown Victoria. I oughta be ashamed of myself...
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Old April 6th, 2010, 09:27 PM   #5575
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You also love Crown Vic's? I really wish I could have one, or see one, but i'm European.
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Old April 6th, 2010, 09:54 PM   #5576
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Most Americans with oversized, fuel guzzling behemoths rarely use them for working purposes, hauling materials, furniture, OR PEOPLE!. They are merely an extension of their over inflated egos and their self centered lifestyles. Rarely will you find anyone with one of these monstrocities helping others, family, freinds, whoever. They are mostly for showing off and waisting fuel. The only trucks you see being used for the purpose they were built for are the old 'beaters' as we call them around here. The fancy new, oversized trucks whose owners would never let you ride in them, they just want to run you off the road if you get in their way, and are driven by queens who have yet to come out of their closits! Big trucks, little pee wees! HA!

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Old April 7th, 2010, 12:10 AM   #5577
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Trucks have relatively poor resale value...they're generally cheap after a couple of years.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 03:48 AM   #5578
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Speed Limits

I know that the design speeds of some of the urban Interstates are super-low, and for the amount of traffic they handle a lack of a speed cap (Autobahn-like) would be a disaster. But for some of the rural interstates, especially out in the desert, even a speed limit of 120 (75 mph) seems unreasonable. In my opinion, the speed limits could be safely removed along some stretches of the Interstate system. Take the stretch of the 8 from El Centro to Yuma, for example. The highest speed limit along it, on the Californian side at least, is 110 (70 mph)!

Look at this picture: straight, flat, wide, and well-paved. A real American Autobahn, all that they need to do is knock down the speed limit signs.


That stretch of the 8 I mentioned:
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Old April 7th, 2010, 05:17 AM   #5579
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A look at outdated infrastructure in Seattle. Parts of that highway has been fixed, but the overall condition remains pretty much the same. The first few seconds on the video say it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrfa2...eature=related
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Old April 7th, 2010, 05:25 AM   #5580
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A look at outdated infrastructure in Seattle. Parts of that highway has been fixed, but the overall condition remains pretty much the same. The first few seconds on the video say it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrfa2...eature=related
Looks just like a section of Friars Rd. (some sections expressway, not Interstate) here in San Diego. It's disdainful. Where is the money from the gas tax going?

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