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Old March 28th, 2007, 02:06 AM   #561
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Estonia is far from being "the most powerful country in the world", nor did Rabasepoiss say anything like that...
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Old March 28th, 2007, 04:24 AM   #562
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I-80 over Sierra

Chris1491, the easy answer is that compared to the multi-million people populated areas, and the main N-S I-5 and 99 corridors, I-80 over the Sierra is relatively low priority. Not sure California cares how easy it is to get over to Nevada to spend their money there! (However, it is a major trucking corridor, and that is important) Probably too simplistic an answer, but at the end of the day, each state has to ascertain what their priorities are. And yes, as someone mentioned earlier, it is quite a task to maintain a high elevation road with extreme winter temps and snowfall.

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Old March 28th, 2007, 09:31 AM   #563
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Can your country build 5 level stack interchanges and 24 lane expressways? If not, I suggest you STFU, and shove some kraut up your ass.
24 lane expressways? That sounds immensely inefficient, if nothing else.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 09:33 AM   #564
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Chris1491, the easy answer is that compared to the multi-million people populated areas, and the main N-S I-5 and 99 corridors, I-80 over the Sierra is relatively low priority. Not sure California cares how easy it is to get over to Nevada to spend their money there! Probably too simplistic an answer, but at the end of the day, each state has to ascertain what their priorities are. And yes, as someone mentioned earlier, it is quite a task to maintain a high elevation road with extreme winter temps and snowfall.
Not part of the interstates, but the US 101 is quite heavily traveled, and many parts of it look like they've been littered with shotgun blasts.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 12:57 PM   #565
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Can your country build 5 level stack interchanges and 24 lane expressways? If not, I suggest you STFU, and shove some kraut up your ass.
Are you laughing at your own "joke"?

Anyway...people keep talking about the freeze/thaw issues in places like the Sierra Nevada. Roads can be built to withstand that sort of thing, if the agency so chooses....So in my opinion, that's really not a good excuse.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 05:52 PM   #566
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Are you laughing at your own "joke"?

Anyway...people keep talking about the freeze/thaw issues in places like the Sierra Nevada. Roads can be built to withstand that sort of thing, if the agency so chooses....So in my opinion, that's really not a good excuse.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 10:30 PM   #567
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Maybe they should speak with Colorado:







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Old March 28th, 2007, 10:33 PM   #568
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I've driven on those roads several times personally, and they can be just as bad as the Sierra. Those were recently repaved, not to mention the gateway to the state's most important tourist region. It's obvious that Colorado would spend a ton of money on them, while I-80 in California (which is primarily to take money out of state) would be less of a priority.
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Ok, then I guess it's impossible.
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Old March 29th, 2007, 08:36 AM   #570
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I just returned from my trip to Washington and Idaho, where I drove roughly 300 km in a rented car. Just a couple of obervations:
  • Road pavement is not as smooth as on some well-maintained roads in California, but at the same time, there are no such disasters as the I-80
  • Road signs are more standardised and easily understandable. All signs point to a city, not only the route number
  • Drivers are better disciplined and more courteous than in California
  • Tiny Chevy Aveo is a nice car. Too bad they didn't have a manual one
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Old March 29th, 2007, 12:28 PM   #571
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In places like the Sierra Nevadas which have freezing temperatures and heavy snowfall is it possible to carry out road maintenance and construction all year round or only in summer when it's snow-free? If the latter then roadwork is only possible for a few months of the year, meaning that any improvements will take longer than in places with more temperate climates, unless they deploy large numbers of men and machines to do the work.
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Old March 29th, 2007, 12:51 PM   #572
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[*]Road signs are more standardised and easily understandable. All signs point to a city, not only the route number[/list]
I get the feeling California's always been different-
no exit numbers for the longest time, US highway "cutout" shields, big buttons to divide lanes as opposed to painted lines, etc...
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And that, perhaps, is the biggest problem. In western Europe, it would never get to the point where cars were getting damaged. It's the responsibilty of the government and its road agencies to not allow it to get even close to that state of disrepair.
It didn't develop over time, the temperature that spring was going up and down and up and down, and it was very wet. The road kept expanding/contracting with all the water and 140 miles of it was broken apart. They came through and repaved it all, but they couldn't do it IMMEDIATELY for whatever reasons they have. I believe the state actually went back and got money from the asphalt supplier since there was obviously something wrong with the previous batch that made the road split apart so fast.
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Old March 29th, 2007, 05:29 PM   #574
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The EU has 53,114 KM of motorways covering a population (the stats were for the 15 member EU, which has over 83% of the moterways in Europe ) 392,201,538.

That's 7,384 people for each KM of motorway.

The US has 75,376 KM of interstates (and countless other KM's of limited access highways that aren't actually INTERSTATES) for a population of 301,414,000.

That's 3,999 people per KM of interstate.

That's only 54% of the per person tax base to fund these roads as Europe has. We just don't have the capacity or urgency to have the roads all be in perfect shape.
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Old March 29th, 2007, 08:16 PM   #575
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The US has approximatly 94.000 km of road that meet Motorway standards.
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Old March 29th, 2007, 08:36 PM   #576
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[*]Road signs are more standardised and easily understandable. All signs point to a city, not only the route number
Yeah, i never know why most US exits have only a street name or a road number.

Driving in the US using the road numbers works great, but some more local destinations/cities/neighborhoods would be great. An example: (German style)

What i miss in US signage are good control cities, neighborhood names (they say more than a road name, unless that road is very important) Names in white are local destinations.

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Oh yeah, those large road number shields look great, but i don't think such large shields belong on regular signage.
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Old March 30th, 2007, 12:23 AM   #578
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I just returned from my trip to Washington and Idaho, where I drove roughly 300 km in a rented car. Just a couple of obervations:
  • Road pavement is not as smooth as on some well-maintained roads in California, but at the same time, there are no such disasters as the I-80
  • Road signs are more standardised and easily understandable. All signs point to a city, not only the route number
  • Drivers are better disciplined and more courteous than in California
  • Tiny Chevy Aveo is a nice car. Too bad they didn't have a manual one
I've never driven in California, so I can't compare drivers to where I live, but they must be pretty bad, because it seems drivers around here aren't very pleasant. I have my bad days too, mind you.

Did you enjoy your time up in "this neck of the woods" as it were?
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Old March 30th, 2007, 01:12 AM   #579
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Do you have that number for the EU (15, 25 or 27)?
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Old March 30th, 2007, 02:20 AM   #580
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I don't know the math right now, but the 53K number above was 83.5% of the total for all of Europe. I just segregated it since so much of the network is in the 15 member EU, as opposed to the full Union.
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