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Old August 24th, 2010, 01:06 PM   #6001
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$65m seems incredibly cheap.

I wonder if the new Interstate will end at I-435 or be cosigned to a junction with one of the mainline Interstates.
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Old August 25th, 2010, 06:50 AM   #6002
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Old August 25th, 2010, 06:56 AM   #6003
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That is pretty sweet, looks like they paid lots of detail into aesthetics.
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Old August 25th, 2010, 11:20 AM   #6004
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Old August 25th, 2010, 05:53 PM   #6005
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A lot of space wasted. Why don't they built a Regular Stack?. It would have been less massive and with the same or superior results.
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Old August 26th, 2010, 02:53 AM   #6006
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A lot of space wasted. Why don't they built a Regular Stack?. It would have been less massive and with the same or superior results.
I don't think space is an issue in Arizona
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Old August 26th, 2010, 05:56 AM   #6007
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State predicts gates at virtually all I-94 on-ramps in 6-10 years
You could soon see more gates at freeway on-ramps as the state tries to keep drivers safe during emergencies.
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While he only uses I-94 two or three times a month, David Stratton says he's familiar with the reason why crews put in gates at the on-ramp from State Highway 93 a few years ago.
“South Dakota, North Dakota have had that for a long time, and that just makes all the sense in the world,” he said. Now he's looking forward to the construction of more like it.
“Often times this does relate to weather, when we have our heavy snows and stuff,” said Lieutenant Jeff Lorentz of the Wisconsin State Patrol. He says the state will putting four of them at the U.S. Highway 53 interchange next year.
“It's our most complicated interchange that we have, and typically to close that interchange, it takes six officers,” he said.
Then he hopes more go up in metro areas, and at interchanges that road crews work on.
“If we can reduce the traffic flow whether its a haz-mat incident, or again, a traffic accident, or even an emergency medical situation, it only enhances the life safety,” said Deputy Chief Lyle Koerner of the Eau Claire Fire Department.
The DOT says the new gates would have an arm that comes down, similar to what you would see at a railroad crossing. They're not automated, and Lorentz says they're worth the $9,000 to $14,000 estimate the state says it will pay for each gate.
“The payback is very short-term,” Lt. Lorentz said. “Less than five years, probably in three years is when we'll pay back in the labor use alone.”
“I don't know if I'd really agree with that, but I guess they'll do what they want with their money,” Keelan Gilbertson said. “Whatever our opinions are, they'll still do what they want to do.”
David says the price doesn't give him sticker-shock.
“Right now, of course, we're all trying to save money, but sometimes we have to just bite the bullet and go ahead.”
Even though it is a measure designed to keep freeway drivers from "going ahead" once in a while.
The DOT says it's also starting to plan for surveillance cameras and electronic signs to tell drivers about changing conditions between Baldwin and Black River Falls. It hasn't released exactly where they would go, when they'd be installed, or how much all that would cost.




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Old August 26th, 2010, 07:35 AM   #6008
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WisDOT installed these blizzard gates at several US 41 interchanges here in Appleton earlier this year, too.

Yes, I can see why they'd be a long-term better deal than the barricades that I often see stored at various freeway on-ramps, and especially for those interchanges where they are not (each ramp in the latter case needs to tie up at least one police car for the duration for such 'short notice' closures).

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Old August 26th, 2010, 11:26 AM   #6009
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WisDOT installed these blizzard gates at several US 41 interchanges here in Appleton earlier this year, too.

Yes, I can see why they'd be a long-term better deal than the barricades that I often see stored at various freeway on-ramps, and especially for those interchanges where they are not (each ramp in the latter case needs to tie up at least one police car for the duration for such 'short notice' closures).

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I always wondered what those were. I've never seen any in Illinois.
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Old August 26th, 2010, 09:40 PM   #6010
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I'm not from the USA but looking GE I can see that a lot of the bigger cities in USA have this problem. Large empty patches of land where used to be homes right next to Downtown...
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But you need someone who wants to live in these dense neighborhoods close to downtowns. Most people simply prefer large house with garden than small condo in multistory building. Do you want to force people to live there?
I'm not trying to intentionally derail this thread, I came here to look for any news on I-49.

But I can't leave this alone.

First off, how big is Atlanta, or Houston, or Dallas? Between 4-5 million people.

Lets make a conservative estimate, that most of the population still wanted to live in the suburbs. But then what if even 1% of the population, perhaps currently living in garden apartment complexes, would be willing to trade in for an urban lifestyle. That would give you between 40,000 and 50,000 people. That may be students, the elderly, gays, singles, who knows, who just want an apartment near things and don't want to worry about a yard, etc.

In the US, maybe an option for revitalizing cities would not be to recreate Manhattan, but look to the outer boroughs of New York or parts of Chicago for inspiration. A mix of closely spaced semi or detached homes and small 3-4 story apartments, with major streets lined with a little larger buildings that have shops and things on the bottom and the occasional midrise. Maybe this is not dense or even urban by European or even Northeastern US standards, but in a sunbelt city it would be something completely different.

Looking at the density of existing places which take this form, it seems like you'd have a density of maybe 10,000 people per square mile. So with 40 to 50k people, that would be about 4 to 5 square miles.

That is not a very large area at all. But go back to Google Earth and measure the size of the downtown adjacent dead zones in a place like Atlanta. I believe it would be completely feasible for the city to infill this space with new housing. What would the benefits be? It would make the city as a whole more attractive, it would dilute the presence of poverty, people who had a stake in a neighborhood would be more vigilant for crime, etc.
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Old August 27th, 2010, 12:39 AM   #6011
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I-494 and MN-5 (Airport Interchange) in Bloomington, Minnesota; Mall of America is in the background.
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Old August 27th, 2010, 01:31 AM   #6012
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$65m seems incredibly cheap.

I wonder if the new Interstate will end at I-435 or be cosigned to a junction with one of the mainline Interstates.
Bella Vista? Is that a city? I've never heard of it.
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Old August 27th, 2010, 01:37 AM   #6013
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A lot of space wasted. Why don't they built a Regular Stack?. It would have been less massive and with the same or superior results.
I think a four-level stack would be unnecessarily more expensive where a three-level stack would be sufficient.
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Old August 28th, 2010, 12:52 AM   #6014
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I-270 South going from Frederick towards Urbana Maryland.
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Old August 28th, 2010, 03:49 AM   #6015
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I took sum Interstate shots today in Jersey City , and Manhattan

I-78 Holland Tunnel Approach in Manhattan

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Jersey City Holland Tunnel Exit with New Welcome sigh in Newport JC

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Old August 28th, 2010, 09:25 PM   #6016
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NPR special series: "I-95: The Road Most Travelled"

This is a special series of news reports about Interstate 95 from NPR. It runs through Labor Day.

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Interstate 95 may be one of the least romantic roads ever built. But what it lacks in beauty, it makes up for in utility. How has this asphalt Amazon transformed the economy of the Eastern Seaboard?
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Old August 29th, 2010, 03:37 AM   #6017
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Atlanta has the eggs-in-one-basket policy, where there's only one freeway - for long distance through and local traffic, heading North-South.

Parallel freeways would help the traffic, but there's nothing stopping a decent transit line/system being built (as well preferably) to take some of the internal city traffic off the freeway 'network' (in quotes as it's not really a net - just a couple of spokes that diverge and a loop or two).
Well, there is 285.
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Old August 29th, 2010, 03:41 AM   #6018
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(I am assuming that those two above maps are of the same scale)
Also note how the Frankfort-Main area is far, far more densely developed than the Atlanta area - nearly the entire land area on the above map of metro Atlanta is built out with very-low density style development while that map of Frankfort-Main still includes oodles of rural farmland.

Besides that spread-out low density development within the metro area, I-75/85 in central Atlanta is so wide and carries so much traffic because a freeway that was planned to parallel that one to the east (it was to connect I-675 with GA 400) was never built.

Also, why is transit such an insignificant part of the metro Atlanta transport scene? Atlanta has a heavy-rail transit system ('MARTA') - BUT - Metro Atlanta has about the worst city vs. suburb political divide of any of the metros anywhere in the USA. Why don't the suburbanites want MARTA rail service? BECAUSE IT SERVES THE CITY OF ATLANTA! Seriously! (I'd tell you a commonly-used wording for the acronym 'MARTA', which means 'Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority', but I'll not to avoid being banned from SSC.)



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Being politically correct, much of the Southern USA cities like Atlanta and Birmingham have a setup like South Africa where the Whites with the majority of money live in one area and the blacks that are socio-economically worse off live in another and up until the last 15-20 years ago, didn't mix with each other in the sense of neighborhoods.

Luckily in both cases, gentrification is taking hold in the Urban areas and in the Suburbs, it's becoming more and more racially mixed.

When it comes to urban comparisons, the Southern USA and South Africa do share many parallels(though thank God that for all that the Jim Crow era was, it never got close to being Apartheid-oppressive).
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Old August 29th, 2010, 10:06 AM   #6019
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Old August 31st, 2010, 04:18 AM   #6020
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Nice pic.

I-494 from Route 100 to the airport is a mess for a large % of the day. Almost every time going down it when in the area in the summer, I was in a traffic jam.
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