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Old September 9th, 2010, 03:37 PM   #6041
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It looks weak, like something you'd see in Europe.
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Old September 9th, 2010, 09:45 PM   #6042
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They could be one-half that size and be equally as visible and legible. That makes them a waste of sign space.
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Old September 10th, 2010, 05:36 AM   #6043
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It looks weak, like something you'd see in Europe.
I know, highway signage should be masculine and powerful. With such weak legible signage, the communists will surely be invading any day now.
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Old September 10th, 2010, 07:12 AM   #6044
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The arrows look too long and could be bit thicker. IMHO
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Old September 10th, 2010, 07:37 PM   #6045
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I had no idea people actually had opinions on arrows' thickness! I don't see anything wrong with these ones.
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Old September 10th, 2010, 10:02 PM   #6046
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I-10 Katy Freeway, Houston, Texas

The I-10 in West Houston has recently been widened to as much as 24 lanes, when taking frontage roads into account. West of I-610, there are 16 through lanes, and 8 frontage road lanes. The carriageways are split up in a general purpose section and a toll/HOV section.

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Old September 11th, 2010, 01:30 PM   #6047
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Yesterday I drove I-16 from US 25-301 near Statesboro to its eastern end in Macon. There's an 18 mile section (mile 13-31 IIRC) that was completed in the early '70s on which the concrete pavement of the right lanes is badly deteriorated. At present the left lanes are closed and a wide concrete left shoulder is being installed. The new shoulder looks to be eight feet wide, two thirds the width of a traffic lane, and the slope toward the median is very visible. I think that there'll be a second phase in which the right lane and shoulder will be removed and replaced, with the new left shoulder providing room for a detour lane and barricades while the work progresses.

Cable rails are being installed on Georgia's Interstates, but none have been installed here as yet. Perhaps their installation has been deferred in order to maintain cross-median access for construction crews during the next phase.

I don't recall having seen anything like this before, though the recent reconstruction of I-85 from Newnan to Fairburn has added a new lane (not opened to traffic!) on the left and removed and replaced the original two right lanes, leaving intact the second lane from the left, which was built in the mid '90's.

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Old September 13th, 2010, 12:08 AM   #6048
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I took I-74 from Greensburg (it's between Indianapolis and Cincy). The road's in pretty bad shape for most part. The rest areas are pretty good though, better than the few others I've stopped at.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 12:30 AM   #6049
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It looks weak, like something you'd see in Europe.
I agree. I don't like the look.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 12:47 AM   #6050
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Some photos i took of the NYC Holland Tunnel approach.

7th Avenue & Vandam Street

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Offical end of I-78 / Holland Tunnel exit loop

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Old September 13th, 2010, 02:19 AM   #6051
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I don't get the 'only' in the sign.
Only what?
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Old September 13th, 2010, 02:54 AM   #6052
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I don't get the 'only' in the sign.
Only what?
It means that both of the indicated lanes go only to Lower Manhattan, rather than one being an optional lane from which you can reach the Holland Tunnel. On a freeway the sign would say "EXIT ONLY," but this is just a city street.

EDIT: That introduces the obvious question: Why doesn't this sign:
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Old September 13th, 2010, 06:01 AM   #6053
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Yesterday I drove I-16 from US 25-301 near Statesboro to its eastern end in Macon. There's an 18 mile section (mile 13-31 IIRC) that was completed in the early '70s on which the concrete pavement of the right lanes is badly deteriorated. At present the left lanes are closed and a wide concrete left shoulder is being installed. The new shoulder looks to be eight feet wide, two thirds the width of a traffic lane, and the slope toward the median is very visible. I think that there'll be a second phase in which the right lane and shoulder will be removed and replaced, with the new left shoulder providing room for a detour lane and barricades while the work progresses.

Cable rails are being installed on Georgia's Interstates, but none have been installed here as yet. Perhaps their installation has been deferred in order to maintain cross-median access for construction crews during the next phase.

I don't recall having seen anything like this before, though the recent reconstruction of I-85 from Newnan to Fairburn has added a new lane (not opened to traffic!) on the left and removed and replaced the original two right lanes, leaving intact the second lane from the left, which was built in the mid '90's.
I drove past this area yesterday and considering the way it has been set up I guess construction will go pretty slow. I'd rather have them set up a 4+0 system and move the site up- or downstream a couple of times. The reversal lanes could be written off as a hurricane relief expense

Funny thing with us driving this stretch within only 24 hrs. or so since it was my first time in the US and the only driving I had to do was getting to ATL from Savannah.

Was pretty impressed with road quality btw., how does GA compare to other states? Jersey seemed downtrodden.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 06:43 AM   #6054
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I drove past this area yesterday and considering the way it has been set up I guess construction will go pretty slow. I'd rather have them set up a 4+0 system and move the site up- or downstream a couple of times. The reversal lanes could be written off as a hurricane relief expense

Funny thing with us driving this stretch within only 24 hrs. or so since it was my first time in the US and the only driving I had to do was getting to ATL from Savannah.

Was pretty impressed with road quality btw., how does GA compare to other states? Jersey seemed downtrodden.
Georgia has some of the best-maintained roads of any state in the country, it's easy to fall asleep while driving on them.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 06:47 AM   #6055
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I think Tennessee has some of the best maintained highways in the country.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 07:07 AM   #6056
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It means that both of the indicated lanes go only to Lower Manhattan, rather than one being an optional lane from which you can reach the Holland Tunnel. On a freeway the sign would say "EXIT ONLY," but this is just a city street.

EDIT: That introduces the obvious question: Why doesn't this sign]
I think it is because at that point you still have the chance to change lanes whereas there are pylons where there is an ONLY on the sign. In California, the ONLY frequently shows on the sign when the lane lines become thicker, which indicates that the lanes will be breaking away shortly.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 11:46 AM   #6057
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I think Tennessee has some of the best maintained highways in the country.
From what I hear from certain gray-haired sources, they appear to have swapped places with Virginia. (This might have happened through the 80s... not sure when, but before my time)
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Old September 14th, 2010, 01:27 AM   #6058
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I drove past this area yesterday and considering the way it has been set up I guess construction will go pretty slow. I'd rather have them set up a 4+0 system and move the site up- or downstream a couple of times. The reversal lanes could be written off as a hurricane relief expense
With as little traffic as I-16 carries, it'd probably be a good idea to go to 1+1 on one roadway while the other was rebuilt.

I-16 used to be regarded as a joke because of the tiny traffic volumes it carried and the consequent lack of services. That plus the fact that the first completed major section was in the middle.

I still don't like it, and I take state highways and an hour's worth of I-20 to go between Statesboro and my house in Lawrenceville (according to Google Maps, it's shorter by distance, and any chance of rush hour traffic trashes the supposed time advantage of taking Interstates), but I have to admit that it doesn't seem as brutal as it used to. There's enough traffic to keep me awake, and enough tweaks to the highway over time to pique my interest as a roadgeek.

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Funny thing with us driving this stretch within only 24 hrs. or so since it was my first time in the US and the only driving I had to do was getting to ATL from Savannah.
The day before, I drove between Statesboro and Savannah.

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Was pretty impressed with road quality btw., how does GA compare to other states? Jersey seemed downtrodden.
I don't get around much, but I don't see much difference compared to our neighboring states. OTOH, Georgia accomplishes what it does with a ridiculously low fuel tax.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 05:27 AM   #6059
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I-16 is probably more important for freight carriage than passenger traffic.
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Old September 15th, 2010, 03:59 AM   #6060
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Interesting article from the NY Times about the US's only totally metric interstate, I-19.

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Metric Interstate Divides Arizonans
By MARC LACEY
Published: September 14, 2010


Metric signs direct drivers heading south on Interstate 19 in Santa Cruz County, Ariz.


Interstate 19 in southern Arizona is a metric-only highway.

GREEN VALLEY, Ariz. — It is not the mountains or the cactuses that stand out most while driving Interstate 19 from the Mexican border to Tucson. It’s the signs.

Distance along I-19 is measured in kilometers, just as it is in Mexico. That means highway markers advise that there are three kilometers until the next gas station, four until the next rest stop, seven until the next desert town.

But the distinctive signs’ days may be, well, numbered.

The Arizona Department of Transportation says the 400 signs along the I-19’s 100 kilometers are too old and need to be replaced. The new signs, officials say, would be like all the others in the state and would indicate distance in miles. Exit numbers would be reconfigured as well.

A throwback to an American experiment with the metric system in the early 1980s that did not get far off the ground, the signs not only indicate the number of kilometers to the next exit, but also the exit numbers themselves coincide with the number of kilometers from Nogales, which abuts the border.

“It’s a bit different,” acknowledged Jim DiGiacomo, executive director of the Green Valley-Sahuarita Chamber of Commerce, who has been driving I-19 since the highway was completed in the late 1970s.

If the signs are changed to miles, that would mean that the Inn at San Ignacio, in the retirement community of Green Valley, would no longer be off Exit 56.

“You’d think it wouldn’t be a big deal, but it is,” said the inn’s owner, Jim Green, who wants the metric signs to stay put. “Think about how much money my company has spent directing people to Exit 56. Think about the literature, the brochures, the tour books.”

Some who live along I-19 do not particularly care for the signs, saying they look foreign, are confusing and serve no purpose now that the United States has decided not to give an inch to the metric system.

State officials had originally planned to use $1.5 million in federal stimulus money to replace the signs, prompting Sean Hannity, the conservative Fox News commentator, to lampoon the project last year as one of the most wasteful uses of taxpayer dollars.

It was local opposition to the changeover along I-19, however, that prompted the state to slow the process and miss the March 2 deadline to spend the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act money on the overhaul. The project, which the state calls a “safety priority” because the old signs are not reflective enough at night, is now suspended.

“We know there are diverse opinions about the current signs,” said Timothy Tait, a spokesman for the Transportation Department, indicating that a decision on the I-19 signs would have to be made in the “short term.”

State transportation officials had come up with what they thought was a compromise: converting the signs to miles but also making note of the old exit numbers. So the sign for the new Exit 43, on Duval Mine Road in Sahuarita, would also have indicated “Old Exit 69.”

That approach, state officials said, would have given businesses plenty of time to update their addresses.

But some supporters of the metric signs bring up another argument for keeping them in place: the idiosyncratic signs help put the communities along I-19, which include Rio Rico, Tubac and Amado and the San Xavier Indian Reservation, on the map.

The U.S. Metric Association, a group based in California that advocates conversion to the metric system, has tallied numerous metric signs around the country, most near the borders with Canada and Mexico. But I-19 may be the only Interstate highway that is almost completely metric, making it stand out from all the other stretches of concrete crisscrossing the country.

“I’ve been in the hotel business since 1997,” Mr. Green said, “and I’ve been asked by my guests thousands of times about the metric signs. They aren’t complaining. They are intrigued.”

He said he knew of no drivers who had overshot their desired exit because they were not aware that a kilometer is equal to 0.6 miles. “Someone may think they have five miles to go and they have less than five miles, but so what?” Mr. Green said.

I-19 is one of the nation’s shortest Interstates but one still lined with attractions. There is a decommissioned Titan II intercontinental ballistic missile at Exit 69 that tourists wearing hard hats can inspect in its underground silo. There is the Desert Diamond Casino 11 kilometers to the north. And 34 kilometers from the border is the artist community of Tubac, home to a Spanish fort dating to 1752.

“We’re used to the signs,” said Mr. DiGiacomo, the business leader. “We did a survey, and most of our members think they should stay the way they are. Leave well enough alone. We think it would cause more confusion if they changed it.”
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