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Old November 30th, 2010, 03:28 AM   #6241
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Do you know if stimulus funds are being used on I-69 project?
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Old November 30th, 2010, 03:33 AM   #6242
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Do you know if stimulus funds are being used on I-69 project?
Nope. Indiana sold the Indiana Toll Road(I-80/90) to CINTRA and Macquarie for $3.8 Billion in 2005. That money was then used in a program called "Major Moves".
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Old November 30th, 2010, 03:28 PM   #6243
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A great tour of one of the most impressive interchanges in the United States; the stack between I-10 and Beltway 8 in Houston, Texas.

very nice video and analysis.

As far as i can judge by you're video : driving seems cahotic on these freeways (vehicules waving between lanes, no use of turn signals...). Besides it seems that a white solid line does not mean anything according to the number of vehicules passing even when there is a solid line.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 04:13 PM   #6244
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A great tour of one of the most impressive interchanges in the United States; the stack between I-10 and Beltway 8 in Houston, Texas.

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is this one larger that the High Five in Dallas?
I was in Houston and Dallas last week, it is hard to tell which one have better interchanges and Freeways.

I think DFW might have a little bit more
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Old November 30th, 2010, 04:44 PM   #6245
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this is one of the photos that I could never forget
Looks like a computer chip or something
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Old November 30th, 2010, 09:52 PM   #6246
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very nice video and analysis.

As far as i can judge by you're video : driving seems cahotic on these freeways (vehicules waving between lanes, no use of turn signals...). Besides it seems that a white solid line does not mean anything according to the number of vehicules passing even when there is a solid line.
That is because most Americans drive poorly, that actually isn't bad driving, it's worse here.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 10:17 PM   #6247
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New I-70 Bridge

I-70, 55 and 64 all cross into St Louis along a single bridge. I-70 will get a new alignment on the Illinois side and connecting to the current I-70 north of downtown St Louis





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Old December 1st, 2010, 03:48 AM   #6248
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Looks like a computer chip or something
Some great recent shots on this thread! The Chicago pic a few posts above is impressive, but doesn't really even do Chicago justice, as this was taken very high and still manages to highlight the major arteries. (Interestingly the freeways don't show up as well as the arterials, probably has to do with the lighting of local businesses along these streets). This shot covers a lot of area, believe it or not.

As for Houston, great vid, and yes, drivers are somewhat aggressive in this part of the country. I think it is a by-product of a wide open metropolitan area where car-culture is still important. You see this in similar spread-out areas: LA, Phoenix, Dallas, perhaps even Atlanta.

St. Louis is an under-rated city that is coming back. Nice to see some pro-active highway construction there.
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Old December 1st, 2010, 11:38 AM   #6249
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As for Houston, great vid, and yes, drivers are somewhat aggressive in this part of the country. I think it is a by-product of a wide open metropolitan area where car-culture is still important. You see this in similar spread-out areas: LA, Phoenix, Dallas, perhaps even Atlanta.
I doubt it, in Europe the most aggressive driving style can be seen in the cities least built for the car (Rome, Palermo, Athens, Napels, etc.), while the tamest driving styles can be found in cities built for road traffic (Copenhagen, Berlin, Stockholm, etc.)
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Old December 1st, 2010, 02:55 PM   #6250
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I-70, 55 and 64 all cross into St Louis along a single bridge. I-70 will get a new alignment on the Illinois side and connecting to the current I-70 north of downtown St Louis
There's a piece of I-70 - from the current 55/64/70 interchange just south of the arch to the junction with the new segment - that will need a new number. Do we know what that number will be?
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Old December 1st, 2010, 09:01 PM   #6251
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I doubt it, in Europe the most aggressive driving style can be seen in the cities least built for the car (Rome, Palermo, Athens, Napels, etc.), while the tamest driving styles can be found in cities built for road traffic (Copenhagen, Berlin, Stockholm, etc.)
Same's true of Manhattan. By US standards it's pretty crazy how they drive. Part of it MIGHT also have to do with a lot of cabs in Manhattan. A lot of cabbies being Pakis, aggressive driving, breaking traffic laws and honking is in their blood. I wouldn't be surprised if they at least played a part in shaping Manhattan's driving culture.
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Old December 1st, 2010, 09:46 PM   #6252
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There's a piece of I-70 - from the current 55/64/70 interchange just south of the arch to the junction with the new segment - that will need a new number. Do we know what that number will be?
Looks like it'll be I-44
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 06:00 AM   #6253
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I doubt it, in Europe the most aggressive driving style can be seen in the cities least built for the car (Rome, Palermo, Athens, Napels, etc.), while the tamest driving styles can be found in cities built for road traffic (Copenhagen, Berlin, Stockholm, etc.)
True, but there are two different styles of aggressive driving. One is big city, urban, crowded as you describe. The other is wide-open metro areas where speed and aggression manifest themselves in other ways. Aggressive driving in not limited to urban jungles...it exists when there is a lot of concrete and where there are many who need to go many miles quickly.
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 09:25 AM   #6254
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it exists when there is a lot of concrete and where there are many who need to go many miles quickly.
You can see this in Poland and Romania, which lack freeway mileage. People drive reckless on national roads because they have to cover a lot of miles and there are no decent roads available (a.k.a. freeways).
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 08:30 PM   #6255
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Exactly, I drive this way because for my county of million people there are barely any highways at all. During the day it can easily take 30 minutes to drive 10 miles if not longer sometimes. If you stay in the same lane you are destined to run into some idiot going significantly under the speed limit, not paying attention, turning without signal, etc. Not to mention the lights are timed so that doing the speed limit there is no way you can make it to the next light on green. Poor roads=Poor driving.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 04:42 AM   #6256
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Exactly, I drive this way because for my county of million people there are barely any highways at all. During the day it can easily take 30 minutes to drive 10 miles if not longer sometimes. If you stay in the same lane you are destined to run into some idiot going significantly under the speed limit, not paying attention, turning without signal, etc. Not to mention the lights are timed so that doing the speed limit there is no way you can make it to the next light on green. Poor roads=Poor driving.
Agreed.

The major issue when Interstate 275 came to town 30+ years ago: The route took it through St. Petersburg and southern Pinellas County. While Clearwater and northern Pinellas County was being developed into what we know today, it did not get interstate highway service yet the planners did not know that northern Pinellas County would be developed.

Today northern Pinellas County is getting some kind of interstate highway service in one form: The conversion of US 19 from 49 St N in Pinellas Park to FL 580 in Clearwater from what used to be a four (and later six) lane highway to an interstate style highway with interchanges and frontage roads. Also, we can't forget the Bayside Bridge (opened in 1993) which helped ease congestion in traveling between St. Petersburg and Clearwater.

I am still puzzled to this day why Clearwater and northern Pinellas County did not get any interstate highway service to begin with, while St. Petersburg and southern Pinellas County got Interstate 275 and its two spurs - Interstates 375 and 175 - into downtown St. Petersburg. Perhaps US 19 could be fully converted to interstate standards in northern Pinellas County and a connection be built to Interstate 275 and be designated as a possible Interstate 575 as it would be multiplexed with US 19 for the most part. (Besides, US 19 is multiplexed with Interstate 275 as it crosses the Sunshine Skyway Bridge).

You are right: Trying to go from one end of Pinellas County to another (such as St. Petersburg to Clearwater) can be a challenge, especially in the middle of the day as well as the morning and evening commute. Not only I have seen people driving way too slow and no use of signals when turning or changing lanes, I have also seen way too many people who think using their cell phone is more important than safe driving.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 06:16 PM   #6257
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yeaaaaaah guys you're right it's the road's fault ; i'm so crazy about the poor road conditions that i drink and then drive under the influence ; i killed several people but it's THE ROAD FAULT not mine ; c'mon : individual responsability of my behaviour? no way ; it's the road fault. I'm forced to behave that way

The other day i was driving at 95 mph in a 65 mph road and i rear ended a fool doing the speed limit : it's his fault, stupid driver doing the speed limit!!!!
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 07:11 PM   #6258
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Agreed.

The major issue when Interstate 275 came to town 30+ years ago: The route took it through St. Petersburg and southern Pinellas County. While Clearwater and northern Pinellas County was being developed into what we know today, it did not get interstate highway service yet the planners did not know that northern Pinellas County would be developed.

Today northern Pinellas County is getting some kind of interstate highway service in one form: The conversion of US 19 from 49 St N in Pinellas Park to FL 580 in Clearwater from what used to be a four (and later six) lane highway to an interstate style highway with interchanges and frontage roads. Also, we can't forget the Bayside Bridge (opened in 1993) which helped ease congestion in traveling between St. Petersburg and Clearwater.

I am still puzzled to this day why Clearwater and northern Pinellas County did not get any interstate highway service to begin with, while St. Petersburg and southern Pinellas County got Interstate 275 and its two spurs - Interstates 375 and 175 - into downtown St. Petersburg. Perhaps US 19 could be fully converted to interstate standards in northern Pinellas County and a connection be built to Interstate 275 and be designated as a possible Interstate 575 as it would be multiplexed with US 19 for the most part. (Besides, US 19 is multiplexed with Interstate 275 as it crosses the Sunshine Skyway Bridge).

You are right: Trying to go from one end of Pinellas County to another (such as St. Petersburg to Clearwater) can be a challenge, especially in the middle of the day as well as the morning and evening commute. Not only I have seen people driving way too slow and no use of signals when turning or changing lanes, I have also seen way too many people who think using their cell phone is more important than safe driving.
US19 is being converted since for many years it was a hacked up motorway from Pinellas Park to Countryside, right now its under construction soon to be a motorway from Pinellas Park to Countryside, even then you still have anything North of there will be a mess. The Bayside Bridge is nice but once you get off either end you get stuck in traffic since Mcmullen Booth, a cancelled motorway is now a heavily used road with poor light timing gets clogged. There were a bunch of proposed freeways for the area most were cancelled due to opposition or funding, you can still see parts like the overpass at Mcmullen Booth and SR60 where something got built but later cancelled.

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yeaaaaaah guys you're right it's the road's fault ; i'm so crazy about the poor road conditions that i drink and then drive under the influence ; i killed several people but it's THE ROAD FAULT not mine ; c'mon : individual responsability of my behaviour? no way ; it's the road fault. I'm forced to behave that way

The other day i was driving at 95 mph in a 65 mph road and i rear ended a fool doing the speed limit : it's his fault, stupid driver doing the speed limit!!!!
It's a fact that poor road conditions cause poor driving. People will get impatient very easily causing aggressive driving or some people will don't know how to drive in these conditions. It's rare to see poor driving in the country where there aren't many people or on a proper road with good traffic flow.
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Old December 4th, 2010, 08:55 AM   #6259
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Old December 4th, 2010, 06:57 PM   #6260
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US19 is being converted since for many years it was a hacked up motorway from Pinellas Park to Countryside, right now its under construction soon to be a motorway from Pinellas Park to Countryside, even then you still have anything North of there will be a mess. The Bayside Bridge is nice but once you get off either end you get stuck in traffic since Mcmullen Booth, a cancelled motorway is now a heavily used road with poor light timing gets clogged. There were a bunch of proposed freeways for the area most were cancelled due to opposition or funding, you can still see parts like the overpass at Mcmullen Booth and SR60 where something got built but later cancelled.
I'd love to see a map of those 'never-builts' in the Tampa Bay area. I am familiar with some of those 'ghost' ends, but am unsure of where they would have gone.

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